Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes

["William L. Thomson Jr." <wltjr@gentoo.org>]

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On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 12:04 -0600, darren kirby wrote:
> quoth the Chris Gianelloni:
> 
> > Seriously, how about instead of these childish "if this happens, I'm
> > taking my toys and going home" attitudes, 
> 
> As opposed to the childish "I don't want to hear from a few outspoken users so 
> let's close up the list" attitude?

Absolutely not. We very much do want to hear. But in a place specific to
just that :)

> Can you explain to me how giving the devs _more_ work to do is going to help

Seems like just the effort of forwarding an email from one list to
another. Not much effort there.

> Gentoo when getting user contributions, bugfixes, ebuilds etc incorporated in 
> a timely fashion is already one of the largest problems IMO?  

Exactly, your pointing out one of the potential largest negative issues
around Gentoo. Here's a possible solution. Let's not damn it to much
before at least giving it a go.

> Seriously, call us all childish if you want

Poor choice of words or analogies maybe. 

>  but you need to recognize that 
> some of us users are seriously concerned about being alienated due to this 
> proposal. If you insist on shutting out users like this you are basically 
> giving us all the finger. I would expect this treatment from a SuperMegaCorp 
> software vendor, not from Gentoo.

You could equate it to growth. But it's not about alienation at all.
It's about focus, and only effects those that know things as are.

To future devs and any new contributing users, they will see -dev as a
ml for developer interaction. They will see -project as a place for
interaction with the community.

I think all will find it beneficial in the long run. If we give it a
chance and some time. Should allow for better focus and greater
productivity on both front, dev <-> dev, devs <-> world.

In the end I put it to growth. So we can focus and make things better
all around. Not due to negativity, or etc. Even if everything is all
positive. If volume on any list gets to a point where it's productivity
declines. Action should be taken. Which isn't motivated by anything
negative.

I have unsubscribed from lists in the past due to the amount of volume
and hardly being able to follow. Pure positive technical development and
etc discussions. Just to much ;)

-- 
William L. Thomson Jr.
Gentoo/Java

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