Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes

["Wulf C. Krueger" <philantrop@gentoo.org>]

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Hello Steve!

On Monday, 16. July 2007 18:17:00 Steve Long wrote:
> Sure, but since you're only doing exactly what you want, when you want,
> why do you guys keep bleating about how much work you have, and what
> extravagant demands us lusers make on you?

Now, now. You're a nice guy on IRC so what is this nonsense about? :-)

Yes, every single Gentoo dev is here for a reason. Some because they want 
to improve the stuff they use themselves, some want to be able to help 
users better (yes, such people exist! ;-) ) and some, like myself, simply 
have fun working on stuff they use *and* helping people by doing that.

(And then there are some idealistic motives but let's keep those aside for 
now.)

> And please don't tell me you're not proud of being a Gentoo dev, 

Yes, I admit it, I am because this is the finest Linux distribution I 
could find and because there are a lot of nice people around.

Yes, some Gentoo devs behave like morons some of the time, like myself 
again ;), but then, it's the same among the user base so I don't think 
this is something special between devs.

This thread is now a dumpster for every complaint any given dev or user 
may have and overly complicated ideas are exchanged to solve problems 
which I simply don't see we're having. Yes, there's a lot of traffic here 
which will soon drop back to normal once people realised they have beaten 
this horse to death quite a few postings ago.

Personally, I originally favoured the idea of making -dev r/o for anyone 
but Gentoo devs and have the latter moderate-in anyone else. Obviously, 
though, this meets with strong resistance by some users and devs so let's 
simply make this ominous -project mailinglist and see if/how it works.

I don't think either solutions makes much sense because it complicates 
matters unnecessarily but if people really lack a minimum of discipline 
*and* can't ignore the few loudmouths then so be it.

> and it doesn't help you personally in your careers. 

It doesn't help *me* in my career at all. :-)

I'm not in this for money, personal gains or accelerating my career 
anyway, though. I'm in this for fun, for the people (be they devs or 
users, I don't really care) and in the hope that I might make the world 
at least a wee, tiny bit better by what I do and how I try to do it.

> You're a bunch of selfish malcontents according to your definition. 

No, you're exaggerating. :-) Yes, the way some fellow devs stated it, was 
rather blunt but I'm sure they didn't mean it that way.

Best regards, Wulf

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