[gentoo-dev] Re: ML changes

[Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net>]

Daniel Drake <dsd@gentoo.org> posted 46999A84.10101@gentoo.org, excerpted
below, on  Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:54:44 -0400:

> I do like the "gentoo-politics" idea that came up a few weeks ago, which
> was to move politics off gentoo-dev and to another list, but I'd view it
> from another perspective (and avoid the words 'politics'): make
> gentoo-dev for development topics only, and have another list for the
> rest. But, I suspect we'd come back to the same problem on both lists,
> where some people are too keen to talk and deviate too far away from
> technical discussion.

I like the "gentoo-project" (yes, that's better than politics) idea as 
well, and believe it /could/ solve the problem here, given a couple 
conditions are met.

One, -project is not to be required reading for devs as -dev is.  Devs 
(and others) can ignore it if they wish.

Two, people be consistent about telling folks to go to -project when it 
goes OT, setting the followup-to/reply-to.  Telling folks much of the 
current discussion doesn't belong in -dev doesn't help now, because 
there's nowhere to send them.  Once there is, simple "no further replies 
here, this belongs on the gentoo-project list", no name calling, no 
further discussion, just that, if enough current regulars do it, should 
dramatically decrease the noise level here.

Already since the idea was proposed, I've wished the other list was up 
and running, as there are posts I'd have posted there rather than here, 
this whole thread could have gone there (except one would hope it 
wouldn't be needed then), etc.  I really think it can work... because 
I've seen it work on other groups and mailing lists before.  It just has 
to be implemented.  Then, if after a month or two it's not working, /
then/ I'd say it's time to consider bringing in the big moderation guns.  
But I think it can and will work without those guns, provided we give it 
the chance and effort to make it so.

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