From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I9QAU-0000uM-FA for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:47:06 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6DIk7NR021834; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:46:07 GMT Received: from mail.obsidian-studios.com (mail.obsidian-studios.com [72.17.152.163]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6DIi2Vj019453 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2007 18:44:02 GMT Received: (qmail 442 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2007 18:44:02 -0000 Received: from mail.obsidian-studios.com (HELO ?192.168.1.211?) (192.168.0.51) by mail.obsidian-studios.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2007 18:44:02 -0000 Received: from 192.168.1.211 ([192.168.1.211] helo=[192.168.1.211]) by assp.obsidian-studios.com; 13 Jul 2007 14:44:02 -0400 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes From: "William L. Thomson Jr." To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <200707131204.08923.bulliver@badcomputer.org> References: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org> <1184308886.9892.48.camel@tuxhugs> <1184347521.8347.24.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org> <200707131204.08923.bulliver@badcomputer.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-dbdd1k4V9c6ZZeUEuULz" Organization: Gentoo Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:44:03 -0400 Message-Id: <1184352243.1351.24.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.2 X-Archives-Salt: 456691e8-9495-4215-81b4-d42cd07c730e X-Archives-Hash: a19c06b0f6e9e6962f17f84248cd6cae --=-dbdd1k4V9c6ZZeUEuULz Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 12:04 -0600, darren kirby wrote: > quoth the Chris Gianelloni: >=20 > > Seriously, how about instead of these childish "if this happens, I'm > > taking my toys and going home" attitudes,=20 >=20 > As opposed to the childish "I don't want to hear from a few outspoken use= rs so=20 > let's close up the list" attitude? Absolutely not. We very much do want to hear. But in a place specific to just that :) > Can you explain to me how giving the devs _more_ work to do is going to h= elp Seems like just the effort of forwarding an email from one list to another. Not much effort there. > Gentoo when getting user contributions, bugfixes, ebuilds etc incorporate= d in=20 > a timely fashion is already one of the largest problems IMO? =20 Exactly, your pointing out one of the potential largest negative issues around Gentoo. Here's a possible solution. Let's not damn it to much before at least giving it a go. > Seriously, call us all childish if you want Poor choice of words or analogies maybe.=20 > but you need to recognize that=20 > some of us users are seriously concerned about being alienated due to thi= s=20 > proposal. If you insist on shutting out users like this you are basically= =20 > giving us all the finger. I would expect this treatment from a SuperMegaC= orp=20 > software vendor, not from Gentoo. You could equate it to growth. But it's not about alienation at all. It's about focus, and only effects those that know things as are. To future devs and any new contributing users, they will see -dev as a ml for developer interaction. They will see -project as a place for interaction with the community. I think all will find it beneficial in the long run. If we give it a chance and some time. Should allow for better focus and greater productivity on both front, dev <-> dev, devs <-> world. In the end I put it to growth. So we can focus and make things better all around. Not due to negativity, or etc. Even if everything is all positive. If volume on any list gets to a point where it's productivity declines. Action should be taken. Which isn't motivated by anything negative. I have unsubscribed from lists in the past due to the amount of volume and hardly being able to follow. Pure positive technical development and etc discussions. Just to much ;) --=20 William L. Thomson Jr. Gentoo/Java --=-dbdd1k4V9c6ZZeUEuULz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGl8fxPrChP8zZLyYRAtq+AKCuSDz3Ace/NLUpl4ChvNV4NbAzQwCeL8s1 VlDR12+75KwvR0jKM6T08jY= =cFeg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-dbdd1k4V9c6ZZeUEuULz-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list