From: Seemant Kulleen <seemant@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:11:55 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1184310715.26227.29.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1184308886.9892.48.camel@tuxhugs>
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Thanks for expressing your point of view that clearly. I stand with
you. Gentoo, for a while, has been taking itself *way* too seriously.
Perhaps that mentality is part of the inevitability of a project's
evolution through its own stages of life. Or perhaps, it's just human
nature to shriek in a frenzy about things we don't like, and demand that
"something must be done" and "won't someone please think of the
children????" which brings this sort of action about.
I've said for a while now (on this list, on my blogs) -- bad behaviour
happens on this list because we (as a community) allow it to happen. If
it's not encouraged and trolls are not fed, they die out. Part of the
thrill of someone raising a pointless argument and picking on
ridiculously petty details is the satisfaction gained from others taking
that stupidity seriously and wasting their (and everyone else's) time
with it.
So I say to you (the developer community): stop the insanity. This
whole business of whitelisting is rather a ridiculous notion, that is
not scalable and serves only to create distance between those with
@gentoo.org addresses and those without. As a result, the @gentoo.org
island isolates itself even further than it is already. That in turn,
only worsens whatever problems we perceive.
What I find absolutely astounding is how much power Ciaran (we all know
the elephant in the room that motivates this newest council
announcement) wields over Gentoo. You know what? The fact that Gentoo
as an entity still reacts to one person this way means, in all but name,
that Ciaran actually is the de-facto lead developer of Gentoo.
This leaves two courses of action.
1. Officially install him as such; or
2. Stop letting him wield his power over you. (yes, you, not us --
concentrate on how much you let him affect you).
Thanks,
Seemant
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Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-07-12 20:24 [gentoo-dev] ML changes Mike Doty
2007-07-12 20:31 ` Olivier Crête
2007-07-13 1:54 ` Kumba
2007-07-12 20:31 ` Bryan Østergaard
2007-07-12 20:59 ` Dale
2007-07-12 21:02 ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-12 22:11 ` Tom Wesley
2007-07-12 23:05 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13 6:31 ` Andrew Cowie
2007-07-12 20:43 ` Jim Ramsay
2007-07-12 20:48 ` Mike Doty
2007-07-12 21:01 ` Josh Saddler
2007-07-12 20:54 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-12 20:54 ` Josh Sled
2007-07-12 20:55 ` expose
2007-07-12 21:43 ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-12 22:02 ` expose
2007-07-12 21:12 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tiziano Müller
2007-07-12 21:32 ` Luca Barbato
2007-07-12 23:39 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-12 21:23 ` [gentoo-dev] " Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-12 21:37 ` Ned Ludd
2007-07-12 21:43 ` Seemant Kulleen
2007-07-12 22:03 ` Jeffrey Gardner
2007-07-12 22:10 ` Denis Dupeyron
[not found] ` <1184280935.29731.11.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com>
2007-07-12 23:43 ` Jeffrey Gardner
2007-07-12 22:21 ` Krzysiek Pawlik
2007-07-12 22:27 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-12 22:28 ` Marius Mauch
2007-07-12 22:13 ` Michael Krelin
2007-07-12 22:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Markus Ullmann
2007-07-12 23:57 ` Steve Long
2007-07-12 22:43 ` [gentoo-dev] " Chrissy Fullam
2007-07-12 22:52 ` Chrissy Fullam
2007-07-12 23:17 ` Marius Mauch
2007-07-15 7:14 ` Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
2007-07-13 0:17 ` Robert Buchholz
2007-07-13 0:56 ` Ned Ludd
2007-07-14 2:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-13 7:20 ` [gentoo-dev] " Togge
2007-07-12 22:46 ` Ned Ludd
2007-07-12 22:55 ` [gentoo-dev] " Stefan Schweizer
2007-07-12 23:28 ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-12 22:58 ` [gentoo-dev] " Mike Kelly
2007-07-12 23:26 ` Olivier Galibert
2007-07-13 0:50 ` Will Briggs
2007-07-13 1:01 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2007-07-13 5:11 ` Duncan
2007-07-17 11:20 ` Paul de Vrieze
2007-07-13 1:41 ` [gentoo-dev] " Daniel Ostrow
2007-07-13 1:52 ` Daniel Ostrow
2007-07-13 3:45 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2007-07-13 5:22 ` Duncan
2007-07-13 15:40 ` [gentoo-dev] " Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-13 17:24 ` Joe Peterson
2007-07-15 7:14 ` Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
2007-07-13 1:59 ` Kumba
2007-07-13 2:30 ` Kevin Lacquement
2007-07-13 3:06 ` Kumba
2007-07-13 3:13 ` Kevin Lacquement
2007-07-13 4:06 ` Kumba
2007-07-13 6:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Christian Faulhammer
2007-07-13 17:12 ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 17:30 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-17 18:14 ` Roy Bamford
2007-07-13 6:41 ` [gentoo-dev] " Peter Gordon
2007-07-13 6:49 ` Peter Gordon
2007-07-13 7:11 ` Seemant Kulleen [this message]
2007-07-13 14:14 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13 14:26 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-13 14:39 ` Roy Marples
2007-07-13 15:08 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13 15:34 ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-17 11:29 ` Paul de Vrieze
2007-07-13 15:31 ` Vieri Di Paola
2007-07-13 18:14 ` [gentoo-dev] " Markus Ullmann
2007-07-13 17:35 ` [gentoo-dev] " Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 18:28 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13 15:39 ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-13 17:41 ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-14 3:03 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-13 15:56 ` [gentoo-dev] " Jim Ramsay
2007-07-13 18:53 ` Chris Scullard
2007-07-13 19:37 ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 19:59 ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-13 22:10 ` lnxg33k
2007-07-13 17:33 ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 17:47 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-14 0:13 ` Seemant Kulleen
2007-07-14 2:11 ` Robin H. Johnson
2007-07-14 3:34 ` Josh Saddler
2007-07-14 4:51 ` Kumba
2007-07-14 19:14 ` Ferris McCormick
2007-07-17 11:25 ` Paul de Vrieze
2007-07-13 17:25 ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 17:37 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-13 18:04 ` darren kirby
2007-07-13 18:44 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13 18:51 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-13 19:04 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-14 10:20 ` Will Briggs
2007-07-14 17:25 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-15 7:54 ` Will Briggs
2007-07-15 11:16 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-07-13 12:20 ` [gentoo-dev] " Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-07-13 13:21 ` Grant Goodyear
2007-07-13 19:46 ` [gentoo-dev] Smoother moderation scheme? (was: ML changes) Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-13 22:00 ` Olivier Galibert
2007-07-13 23:53 ` [gentoo-dev] Smoother moderation scheme? Luca Barbato
2007-07-13 23:54 ` [gentoo-dev] Smoother moderation scheme? (was: ML changes) Jeroen Roovers
2007-07-14 1:41 ` [gentoo-dev] Smoother moderation scheme? Ken
2007-07-14 5:36 ` Alin Năstac
2007-07-14 16:24 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2007-07-14 17:43 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-14 20:48 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-14 21:07 ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-15 3:54 ` [gentoo-dev] ML changes Daniel Drake
2007-07-15 10:45 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-07-15 23:13 ` Kumba
2007-07-16 9:03 ` Duncan
2007-07-16 16:41 ` [gentoo-dev] " Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-17 9:36 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-07-15 21:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Matthias Langer
2007-07-15 22:21 ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-16 3:14 ` Will Briggs
2007-07-16 22:06 ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-16 22:30 ` George Prowse
2007-07-16 23:09 ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-17 0:18 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-17 1:00 ` [gentoo-dev] " Chrissy Fullam
2007-07-17 1:34 ` George Prowse
2007-07-16 23:13 ` Will Briggs
2007-07-16 6:18 ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-16 11:45 ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-16 12:09 ` Vlastimil Babka
2007-07-16 12:42 ` Michael Cummings
2007-07-16 13:15 ` Marius Mauch
2007-07-16 13:47 ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-16 15:00 ` Richard Freeman
2007-07-16 17:43 ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-16 13:46 ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-16 16:17 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 17:21 ` Wulf C. Krueger
2007-07-16 12:37 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Krelin
2007-07-16 22:17 ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-16 23:37 ` Michael Krelin
2007-07-16 22:11 ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-16 23:27 ` George Prowse
2007-07-16 12:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 13:29 ` Alin Năstac
2007-07-16 17:45 ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-16 17:49 ` Jakub Moc
2007-07-16 20:55 ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-16 22:15 ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-17 0:15 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 18:16 ` [gentoo-dev] " George Prowse
2007-07-16 18:35 ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-17 0:25 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 20:02 ` [gentoo-dev] " Peter Weller
2007-07-16 20:12 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-17 0:28 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 22:22 ` Torsten Veller
2007-07-16 22:27 ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-17 7:33 ` Wernfried Haas
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-07-13 19:10 [gentoo-dev] " Christina Fullam
2007-07-14 21:03 Christina Fullam
2007-07-15 2:23 ` Dawid Węgliński
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