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From: George Prowse <cokehabit@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] ML changes
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:27:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <469BFED3.2040607@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1184623875.7942.11.camel@inertia.twi-31o2.org>

Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-07-16 at 06:45 -0500, Andrew Gaffney wrote:
>> That was my thought as well. We (the developers) owe nothing to the community at 
>> large. We are volunteers, and if we want to treat Gentoo as our own personal toy 
>> (which we currently aren't), then so be it.
> 
> Exactly.
> 
> I work on Gentoo because I want to work on it.  It scratches an itch
> that I have.  I like using it personally and also professionally.  I
> find it easier to help improve Gentoo, thereby making it better for
> myself, than to simply ask others to fix it for me and hope that they're
> interested in changing things in the same manner as I am.  This is
> exactly why I became a developer and why I still am a developer.
> 
> That being said, I know that I, as well as many other Gentoo developers,
> will gladly accept payment to work on what YOU want me to work on, but
> until such time as I am in someone else's employ, I'll be working on
> what I choose to work on myself.
> 
> If you don't like what a developer is working on or would rather they
> work on something that interests you, offer to pay them.  Unless they're
> your employee, they owe you nothing.
> 
Maybe you should change the Gentoo philosophy: 
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/philosophy.xml

Us, the Gentoo Proletariat, respect the developers because of the great 
work they do for free but that doesn't absolve you of any responsibility 
towards Gentoo, quite the opposite. The Gentoo philosophy and how it 
states the need for Gentoo to accomodate the needs of it's users 
establishes a minimum level of responsibility from the Distro to it's 
userbase so basically stating "I do what I want and how I want" is not 
in keeping with the way Gentoo was meant to be run and shouldn't be how 
it is being run at this moment in time.
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-16 23:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-12 20:24 [gentoo-dev] ML changes Mike Doty
2007-07-12 20:31 ` Olivier Crête
2007-07-13  1:54   ` Kumba
2007-07-12 20:31 ` Bryan Østergaard
2007-07-12 20:59   ` Dale
2007-07-12 21:02   ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-12 22:11   ` Tom Wesley
2007-07-12 23:05   ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13  6:31     ` Andrew Cowie
2007-07-12 20:43 ` Jim Ramsay
2007-07-12 20:48   ` Mike Doty
2007-07-12 21:01   ` Josh Saddler
2007-07-12 20:54 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-12 20:54 ` Josh Sled
2007-07-12 20:55 ` expose
2007-07-12 21:43   ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-12 22:02     ` expose
2007-07-12 21:12 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tiziano Müller
2007-07-12 21:32   ` Luca Barbato
2007-07-12 23:39     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-12 21:23 ` [gentoo-dev] " Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-12 21:37 ` Ned Ludd
2007-07-12 21:43 ` Seemant Kulleen
2007-07-12 22:03   ` Jeffrey Gardner
2007-07-12 22:10   ` Denis Dupeyron
     [not found]     ` <1184280935.29731.11.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com>
2007-07-12 23:43       ` Jeffrey Gardner
2007-07-12 22:21   ` Krzysiek Pawlik
2007-07-12 22:27     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-12 22:28   ` Marius Mauch
2007-07-12 22:13 ` Michael Krelin
2007-07-12 22:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Markus Ullmann
2007-07-12 23:57   ` Steve Long
2007-07-12 22:43 ` [gentoo-dev] " Chrissy Fullam
2007-07-12 22:52   ` Chrissy Fullam
2007-07-12 23:17   ` Marius Mauch
2007-07-15  7:14     ` Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
2007-07-13  0:17   ` Robert Buchholz
2007-07-13  0:56     ` Ned Ludd
2007-07-14  2:34       ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-13  7:20   ` [gentoo-dev] " Togge
2007-07-12 22:46 ` Ned Ludd
2007-07-12 22:55 ` [gentoo-dev] " Stefan Schweizer
2007-07-12 23:28   ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-12 22:58 ` [gentoo-dev] " Mike Kelly
2007-07-12 23:26 ` Olivier Galibert
2007-07-13  0:50 ` Will Briggs
2007-07-13  1:01 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2007-07-13  5:11   ` Duncan
2007-07-17 11:20     ` Paul de Vrieze
2007-07-13  1:41 ` [gentoo-dev] " Daniel Ostrow
2007-07-13  1:52   ` Daniel Ostrow
2007-07-13  3:45   ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2007-07-13  5:22   ` Duncan
2007-07-13 15:40   ` [gentoo-dev] " Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-13 17:24     ` Joe Peterson
2007-07-15  7:14   ` Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
2007-07-13  1:59 ` Kumba
2007-07-13  2:30   ` Kevin Lacquement
2007-07-13  3:06     ` Kumba
2007-07-13  3:13       ` Kevin Lacquement
2007-07-13  4:06         ` Kumba
2007-07-13  6:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Christian Faulhammer
2007-07-13 17:12   ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 17:30     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-17 18:14     ` Roy Bamford
2007-07-13  6:41 ` [gentoo-dev] " Peter Gordon
2007-07-13  6:49   ` Peter Gordon
2007-07-13  7:11   ` Seemant Kulleen
2007-07-13 14:14     ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13 14:26       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-13 14:39         ` Roy Marples
2007-07-13 15:08         ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13 15:34           ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-17 11:29             ` Paul de Vrieze
2007-07-13 15:31         ` Vieri Di Paola
2007-07-13 18:14           ` [gentoo-dev] " Markus Ullmann
2007-07-13 17:35       ` [gentoo-dev] " Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 18:28         ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13 15:39     ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-13 17:41       ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-14  3:03         ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-13 15:56     ` [gentoo-dev] " Jim Ramsay
2007-07-13 18:53       ` Chris Scullard
2007-07-13 19:37         ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 19:59           ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-13 22:10           ` lnxg33k
2007-07-13 17:33     ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 17:47       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-14  0:13       ` Seemant Kulleen
2007-07-14  2:11         ` Robin H. Johnson
2007-07-14  3:34           ` Josh Saddler
2007-07-14  4:51           ` Kumba
2007-07-14 19:14         ` Ferris McCormick
2007-07-17 11:25     ` Paul de Vrieze
2007-07-13 17:25   ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 17:37     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-13 18:04     ` darren kirby
2007-07-13 18:44       ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13 18:51         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-13 19:04           ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-14 10:20             ` Will Briggs
2007-07-14 17:25               ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-15  7:54                 ` Will Briggs
2007-07-15 11:16                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-07-13 12:20 ` [gentoo-dev] " Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-07-13 13:21 ` Grant Goodyear
2007-07-13 19:46 ` [gentoo-dev] Smoother moderation scheme? (was: ML changes) Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-13 22:00   ` Olivier Galibert
2007-07-13 23:53   ` [gentoo-dev] Smoother moderation scheme? Luca Barbato
2007-07-13 23:54   ` [gentoo-dev] Smoother moderation scheme? (was: ML changes) Jeroen Roovers
2007-07-14  1:41   ` [gentoo-dev] Smoother moderation scheme? Ken
2007-07-14  5:36     ` Alin Năstac
2007-07-14 16:24       ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2007-07-14 17:43         ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-14 20:48           ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-14 21:07             ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-15  3:54 ` [gentoo-dev] ML changes Daniel Drake
2007-07-15 10:45   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-07-15 23:13     ` Kumba
2007-07-16  9:03       ` Duncan
2007-07-16 16:41   ` [gentoo-dev] " Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-17  9:36     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-07-15 21:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Matthias Langer
2007-07-15 22:21   ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-16  3:14     ` Will Briggs
2007-07-16 22:06       ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-16 22:30         ` George Prowse
2007-07-16 23:09           ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-17  0:18             ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-17  1:00               ` [gentoo-dev] " Chrissy Fullam
2007-07-17  1:34                 ` George Prowse
2007-07-16 23:13         ` Will Briggs
2007-07-16  6:18   ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-16 11:45     ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-16 12:09       ` Vlastimil Babka
2007-07-16 12:42         ` Michael Cummings
2007-07-16 13:15           ` Marius Mauch
2007-07-16 13:47             ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-16 15:00               ` Richard Freeman
2007-07-16 17:43           ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-16 13:46         ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-16 16:17           ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 17:21             ` Wulf C. Krueger
2007-07-16 12:37       ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Krelin
2007-07-16 22:17         ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-16 23:37           ` Michael Krelin
2007-07-16 22:11       ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-16 23:27         ` George Prowse [this message]
2007-07-16 12:34     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 13:29       ` Alin Năstac
2007-07-16 17:45       ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-16 17:49         ` Jakub Moc
2007-07-16 20:55           ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-16 22:15       ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-17  0:15         ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 18:16     ` [gentoo-dev] " George Prowse
2007-07-16 18:35       ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-17  0:25         ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 20:02 ` [gentoo-dev] " Peter Weller
2007-07-16 20:12   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-17  0:28     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 22:22 ` Torsten Veller
2007-07-16 22:27   ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-17  7:33   ` Wernfried Haas
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-07-13 19:10 [gentoo-dev] " Christina Fullam
2007-07-14 21:03 Christina Fullam
2007-07-15  2:23 ` Dawid Węgliński

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