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From: "Chrissy Fullam" <musikc@gentoo.org>
To: <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>
Subject: RE: [gentoo-dev] ML changes
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:43:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6A752AC1698E43C28C8DEFEFF0562BB8@twi31o2.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46968E00.4070202@gentoo.org>

On 7/12/07, Mike Doty <kingtaco@gentoo.org> wrote:
> All-
>
> We're going to change the -dev mailing list from completely open to 
> where only devs can post, but any dev could moderate a non-dev post.  
> devs who moderate in  bad posts will be subject to moderation 
> themselves.  in addition the gentoo-project list will be created to take
over what -dev frequently becomes.
>  there is no requirement to be on this new list.

This was discussed in June's council meeting, then brought back up at
today's council meeting, and slotted for voting in next months meeting. I do
not think one could consider it a knee jerk reaction when there is so much
time between conception, discussion, and voting.

Having been active in those meetings maybe this will clarify it some for
others... this is what I derived of it:
The -core mailing list is for information too sensitive to be sent to the
public. Does this information stay confidential until it's appropriate
release time, no not always, but it is based on a sound principle so the
list stays.

The -dev mailing list would be the list for development discussion. The
reason it does not replace -core is because it would still be open to be
viewed by the public. 
Many devs have stated that they do not wish to read -dev presently due to
the quantity of off topic emails, or at least those that are not productive.
These devs would be able to continue to read -dev and reduce the volume of
email to wade through to only those pertinent to the topic at hand.
Non-devs would still subscribe and post, but those posts must first be
approved by ANY developer. The method of contact has not been
documented/discussed, one could presume IRC or email or even that one of the
hundreds of developers might be active at that moment and decide to release
that post. An additional method discussed was to have all non-dev emails on
a timeout, pick a number of hours, and then the email if not moderated would
be released. (non-dev sends his email, time period expires and no one booted
it, so the email rolls through)

The -project mailing list would be the place for the unmoderated and
potentially off topic correspondence. I don't think anyone is married to the
name. It also is a required list for a dev to join.

The moderation of -dev would be done by any developer who saw fit to release
the email sent from a non-dev.
The release of "bad emails" would be addressed by devrel. What makes an
email "bad" would be decided based on the principles of the Code of Conduct.
See http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/coc.xml

Hope this helps.

Kind regards,
Christina Fullam
Gentoo Developer Relations Lead | GWN Author

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-07-12 22:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-12 20:24 [gentoo-dev] ML changes Mike Doty
2007-07-12 20:31 ` Olivier Crête
2007-07-13  1:54   ` Kumba
2007-07-12 20:31 ` Bryan Østergaard
2007-07-12 20:59   ` Dale
2007-07-12 21:02   ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-12 22:11   ` Tom Wesley
2007-07-12 23:05   ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13  6:31     ` Andrew Cowie
2007-07-12 20:43 ` Jim Ramsay
2007-07-12 20:48   ` Mike Doty
2007-07-12 21:01   ` Josh Saddler
2007-07-12 20:54 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-12 20:54 ` Josh Sled
2007-07-12 20:55 ` expose
2007-07-12 21:43   ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-12 22:02     ` expose
2007-07-12 21:12 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tiziano Müller
2007-07-12 21:32   ` Luca Barbato
2007-07-12 23:39     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-12 21:23 ` [gentoo-dev] " Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-12 21:37 ` Ned Ludd
2007-07-12 21:43 ` Seemant Kulleen
2007-07-12 22:03   ` Jeffrey Gardner
2007-07-12 22:10   ` Denis Dupeyron
     [not found]     ` <1184280935.29731.11.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com>
2007-07-12 23:43       ` Jeffrey Gardner
2007-07-12 22:21   ` Krzysiek Pawlik
2007-07-12 22:27     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-12 22:28   ` Marius Mauch
2007-07-12 22:13 ` Michael Krelin
2007-07-12 22:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Markus Ullmann
2007-07-12 23:57   ` Steve Long
2007-07-12 22:43 ` Chrissy Fullam [this message]
2007-07-12 22:52   ` [gentoo-dev] " Chrissy Fullam
2007-07-12 23:17   ` Marius Mauch
2007-07-15  7:14     ` Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
2007-07-13  0:17   ` Robert Buchholz
2007-07-13  0:56     ` Ned Ludd
2007-07-14  2:34       ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-13  7:20   ` [gentoo-dev] " Togge
2007-07-12 22:46 ` Ned Ludd
2007-07-12 22:55 ` [gentoo-dev] " Stefan Schweizer
2007-07-12 23:28   ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-12 22:58 ` [gentoo-dev] " Mike Kelly
2007-07-12 23:26 ` Olivier Galibert
2007-07-13  0:50 ` Will Briggs
2007-07-13  1:01 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2007-07-13  5:11   ` Duncan
2007-07-17 11:20     ` Paul de Vrieze
2007-07-13  1:41 ` [gentoo-dev] " Daniel Ostrow
2007-07-13  1:52   ` Daniel Ostrow
2007-07-13  3:45   ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2007-07-13  5:22   ` Duncan
2007-07-13 15:40   ` [gentoo-dev] " Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-13 17:24     ` Joe Peterson
2007-07-15  7:14   ` Sune Kloppenborg Jeppesen
2007-07-13  1:59 ` Kumba
2007-07-13  2:30   ` Kevin Lacquement
2007-07-13  3:06     ` Kumba
2007-07-13  3:13       ` Kevin Lacquement
2007-07-13  4:06         ` Kumba
2007-07-13  6:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Christian Faulhammer
2007-07-13 17:12   ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 17:30     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-17 18:14     ` Roy Bamford
2007-07-13  6:41 ` [gentoo-dev] " Peter Gordon
2007-07-13  6:49   ` Peter Gordon
2007-07-13  7:11   ` Seemant Kulleen
2007-07-13 14:14     ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13 14:26       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-13 14:39         ` Roy Marples
2007-07-13 15:08         ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13 15:34           ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-17 11:29             ` Paul de Vrieze
2007-07-13 15:31         ` Vieri Di Paola
2007-07-13 18:14           ` [gentoo-dev] " Markus Ullmann
2007-07-13 17:35       ` [gentoo-dev] " Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 18:28         ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13 15:39     ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-13 17:41       ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-14  3:03         ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-13 15:56     ` [gentoo-dev] " Jim Ramsay
2007-07-13 18:53       ` Chris Scullard
2007-07-13 19:37         ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 19:59           ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-13 22:10           ` lnxg33k
2007-07-13 17:33     ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 17:47       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-14  0:13       ` Seemant Kulleen
2007-07-14  2:11         ` Robin H. Johnson
2007-07-14  3:34           ` Josh Saddler
2007-07-14  4:51           ` Kumba
2007-07-14 19:14         ` Ferris McCormick
2007-07-17 11:25     ` Paul de Vrieze
2007-07-13 17:25   ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-13 17:37     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-13 18:04     ` darren kirby
2007-07-13 18:44       ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-13 18:51         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-13 19:04           ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-14 10:20             ` Will Briggs
2007-07-14 17:25               ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-15  7:54                 ` Will Briggs
2007-07-15 11:16                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-07-13 12:20 ` [gentoo-dev] " Piotr Jaroszyński
2007-07-13 13:21 ` Grant Goodyear
2007-07-13 19:46 ` [gentoo-dev] Smoother moderation scheme? (was: ML changes) Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-13 22:00   ` Olivier Galibert
2007-07-13 23:53   ` [gentoo-dev] Smoother moderation scheme? Luca Barbato
2007-07-13 23:54   ` [gentoo-dev] Smoother moderation scheme? (was: ML changes) Jeroen Roovers
2007-07-14  1:41   ` [gentoo-dev] Smoother moderation scheme? Ken
2007-07-14  5:36     ` Alin Năstac
2007-07-14 16:24       ` [gentoo-dev] " Ryan Hill
2007-07-14 17:43         ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-14 20:48           ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-14 21:07             ` William L. Thomson Jr.
2007-07-15  3:54 ` [gentoo-dev] ML changes Daniel Drake
2007-07-15 10:45   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-07-15 23:13     ` Kumba
2007-07-16  9:03       ` Duncan
2007-07-16 16:41   ` [gentoo-dev] " Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-17  9:36     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-07-15 21:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Matthias Langer
2007-07-15 22:21   ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-16  3:14     ` Will Briggs
2007-07-16 22:06       ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-16 22:30         ` George Prowse
2007-07-16 23:09           ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-17  0:18             ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-17  1:00               ` [gentoo-dev] " Chrissy Fullam
2007-07-17  1:34                 ` George Prowse
2007-07-16 23:13         ` Will Briggs
2007-07-16  6:18   ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-16 11:45     ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-16 12:09       ` Vlastimil Babka
2007-07-16 12:42         ` Michael Cummings
2007-07-16 13:15           ` Marius Mauch
2007-07-16 13:47             ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-16 15:00               ` Richard Freeman
2007-07-16 17:43           ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-16 13:46         ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-16 16:17           ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 17:21             ` Wulf C. Krueger
2007-07-16 12:37       ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Krelin
2007-07-16 22:17         ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-16 23:37           ` Michael Krelin
2007-07-16 22:11       ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-16 23:27         ` George Prowse
2007-07-16 12:34     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 13:29       ` Alin Năstac
2007-07-16 17:45       ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-16 17:49         ` Jakub Moc
2007-07-16 20:55           ` Thomas Tuttle
2007-07-16 22:15       ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-17  0:15         ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 18:16     ` [gentoo-dev] " George Prowse
2007-07-16 18:35       ` Donnie Berkholz
2007-07-17  0:25         ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 20:02 ` [gentoo-dev] " Peter Weller
2007-07-16 20:12   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-17  0:28     ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-16 22:22 ` Torsten Veller
2007-07-16 22:27   ` Andrew Gaffney
2007-07-17  7:33   ` Wernfried Haas
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-07-13 19:10 [gentoo-dev] " Christina Fullam
2007-07-14 21:03 Christina Fullam
2007-07-15  2:23 ` Dawid Węgliński

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