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From: Nirbheek Chauhan <nirbheek@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 22:37:27 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTila7izR6FBnwPEnY-44FRH6lNBbZnMTwPP477QX@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C1CEA27.1050705@gentoo.org>

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Sebastian Pipping <sping@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On 06/19/10 17:34, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>> No, really, flaming #gentoo-infra on the gentoo-dev mailing list is
>> silly, useless *and* ironic (in this case).
>
> It's not about the infra team, it's about communication in the
> #gentoo-infra channel.  All of "silly, useless *and* ironic" could use
> an explaination, at least to me.
>

* It is silly because this is an insignificant matter compared to the
bigger problems.
* It is useless because you're approaching this in a completely wrong
way; being vehement doesn't convince anyone.
* It is ironic because by flaming the people on that channel in a
public manner, you are degrading the tone of this mailing list.

In fact, by doing what you are doing, you are alienating people who
once supported your cause, and wanted to help. You cannot cause change
without widespread support. You cannot convince people of your
opinions by insulting them, or repeating your arguments emphatically.

I advise you to take a break to cool off and think for a while about
how you are approaching this. To make someone understand your PoV, you
must first understand their PoV and *empathize* with it.

-- 
~Nirbheek Chauhan

Gentoo GNOME+Mozilla Team



  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-19 17:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-16  3:33 [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-16  3:51 ` Mike Frysinger
2010-06-16  5:03 ` Alec Warner
2010-06-17  0:14   ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-06-17  0:32     ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-17  9:51       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2010-06-17  9:58         ` Auke Booij
2010-06-17 10:08           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2010-06-17 10:17             ` Angelo Arrifano
2010-06-17 10:01         ` Dale
2010-06-17 10:08         ` Angelo Arrifano
2010-06-17 10:15           ` Angelo Arrifano
2010-06-17 10:17           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2010-06-17 10:26             ` Angelo Arrifano
2010-06-17 12:51             ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-17  2:08     ` Jacob Godserv
2010-06-16  5:43 ` Jeroen Roovers
2010-06-16 15:36   ` [gentoo-dev] " Nikos Chantziaras
2010-06-16 18:18     ` Alec Warner
2010-06-16 18:47       ` Nikos Chantziaras
2010-06-16 22:55         ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-16 19:31     ` Jeroen Roovers
2010-06-17  0:02       ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-16 19:40     ` Roy Bamford
2010-06-16 22:33       ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-17  5:47         ` Duncan
2010-06-17 19:29         ` Roy Bamford
2010-06-18  3:43           ` Jeroen Roovers
2010-06-19  2:51             ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-16 22:14   ` [gentoo-dev] " Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-17  3:24     ` Jeroen Roovers
2010-06-17 12:20       ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-17 17:33         ` Jeroen Roovers
2010-06-16 16:39 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2010-06-16 17:07   ` Angelo Arrifano
2010-06-16 22:44     ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-16 22:47   ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-16 22:58     ` Steve Dibb
2010-06-17  6:59     ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2010-06-17  0:01   ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-06-17  0:17     ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-17  0:43       ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-06-17  1:13     ` Ben de Groot
2010-06-17  6:46       ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2010-06-17  4:21   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2010-06-19  2:25 ` [gentoo-dev] " Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19  3:20   ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-06-19  4:35     ` Angelo Arrifano
2010-06-19  9:00     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2010-06-19  9:37       ` Brian Harring
2010-06-19 16:33         ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 14:37     ` [gentoo-dev] " Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 14:58       ` Denis Dupeyron
2010-06-19 15:34         ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2010-06-19 16:02           ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 17:07             ` Nirbheek Chauhan [this message]
2010-06-19 17:50       ` Wulf C. Krueger
2010-06-19 18:23         ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 20:38         ` Ben de Groot
2010-06-19  4:45   ` Jeremy Olexa
2010-06-19 16:15     ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 17:06       ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-06-19 17:40         ` Richard Freeman
2010-06-19 19:10           ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-06-21  0:00             ` Richard Freeman
2010-06-21  4:39               ` Arun Raghavan
2010-06-19  6:43   ` Patrick Lauer
2010-06-19  7:10     ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2010-06-19  9:32       ` Matti Bickel
2010-06-19 10:54       ` Ben de Groot
2010-06-19 17:44         ` Richard Freeman
2010-06-19 17:59         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2010-06-19 18:57           ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 19:16             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2010-06-19 19:37               ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 21:03           ` Ben de Groot
2010-06-19 21:20             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2010-06-19 21:48               ` Patrick Lauer
2010-06-19 21:57             ` David Leverton
2010-06-19 22:01               ` Patrick Lauer
2010-06-19 22:13                 ` David Leverton
2010-06-19 22:05               ` Domen Kožar
2010-06-19 22:18                 ` David Leverton
2010-06-19 18:17         ` Dale
2010-06-19 16:20     ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 21:27       ` Patrick Lauer

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