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From: Ben de Groot <yngwin@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 23:03:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTikN2wK7oXKnKp1wsk8wbqRPMtnVO-NvfcbO_iJi@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100619185906.72367d63@snowcone>

On 19 June 2010 19:59, Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:54:25 +0200
> Ben de Groot <yngwin@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> This is a point that deserves more consideration. One of the top
>> reasons (as witnessed in forum discussions)
>
> Unfortunately, that's selecting a rather biased audience. The success
> of a forum depends upon the number of active posters it has. The number
> of active posters it has depends upon how many people need to post
> there to get answers to questions, and how many wrong answers have to
> be given before the right answer comes up. Thus, by selecting from the
> forums, you're picking an audience that likes talking endlessly about
> communities, not one that likes to answer a question once, correctly,
> and then change things so the question doesn't need to be answered
> again.

That is an incredibly shortsighted and cynic look at the community.
Keep it off this list.

>> Does Gentoo really prefer to keep more sensitive people out instead
>> of effectively getting rid of repeat offenders?
>
> All bringing more sensitive people in does is cripples the
> distribution's ability to delivery any technical improvements, since
> everyone's time is wasted worrying about the whiners

Not at all. Instead of wasting time on flamewars, and people getting
upset and leaving because of the attacks, we'd have a bunch of people
who would know how to work together in a friendly way. That speeds up
the process to come to technical improvements. Once again: keep your
cynic, twisted look off this list. We have no use for it.

>> Think about it. What kind of people would you rather have in Gentoo?
>
> Personally, I'd like to see Gentoo start having the kinds of people who
> deliver a better product, not the kinds of people who worry that using
> a gender-ambiguous cow as a logo might be offensive.

Once again you are derailing the conversation. Nobody brought up
anything about a logo.

It is about whether Gentoo wants to keep around people like you, who
continually attack others, or whether it prefers to have people who
want to work together in a friendlier atmosphere. A smoother
cooperation is in the interest of technical improvements too.

There already is a distro that works like you envision it. It's called
Exherbo. You should try it, you might like it. I would suggest you
spend your time and energy on that, and leave Gentoo to do things the
friendlier way.

Cheers,
Ben



  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-06-19 21:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-16  3:33 [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-16  3:51 ` Mike Frysinger
2010-06-16  5:03 ` Alec Warner
2010-06-17  0:14   ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-06-17  0:32     ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-17  9:51       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2010-06-17  9:58         ` Auke Booij
2010-06-17 10:08           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2010-06-17 10:17             ` Angelo Arrifano
2010-06-17 10:01         ` Dale
2010-06-17 10:08         ` Angelo Arrifano
2010-06-17 10:15           ` Angelo Arrifano
2010-06-17 10:17           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2010-06-17 10:26             ` Angelo Arrifano
2010-06-17 12:51             ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-17  2:08     ` Jacob Godserv
2010-06-16  5:43 ` Jeroen Roovers
2010-06-16 15:36   ` [gentoo-dev] " Nikos Chantziaras
2010-06-16 18:18     ` Alec Warner
2010-06-16 18:47       ` Nikos Chantziaras
2010-06-16 22:55         ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-16 19:31     ` Jeroen Roovers
2010-06-17  0:02       ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-16 19:40     ` Roy Bamford
2010-06-16 22:33       ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-17  5:47         ` Duncan
2010-06-17 19:29         ` Roy Bamford
2010-06-18  3:43           ` Jeroen Roovers
2010-06-19  2:51             ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-16 22:14   ` [gentoo-dev] " Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-17  3:24     ` Jeroen Roovers
2010-06-17 12:20       ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-17 17:33         ` Jeroen Roovers
2010-06-16 16:39 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2010-06-16 17:07   ` Angelo Arrifano
2010-06-16 22:44     ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-16 22:47   ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-16 22:58     ` Steve Dibb
2010-06-17  6:59     ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2010-06-17  0:01   ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-06-17  0:17     ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-17  0:43       ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-06-17  1:13     ` Ben de Groot
2010-06-17  6:46       ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2010-06-17  4:21   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2010-06-19  2:25 ` [gentoo-dev] " Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19  3:20   ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-06-19  4:35     ` Angelo Arrifano
2010-06-19  9:00     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2010-06-19  9:37       ` Brian Harring
2010-06-19 16:33         ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 14:37     ` [gentoo-dev] " Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 14:58       ` Denis Dupeyron
2010-06-19 15:34         ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2010-06-19 16:02           ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 17:07             ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2010-06-19 17:50       ` Wulf C. Krueger
2010-06-19 18:23         ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 20:38         ` Ben de Groot
2010-06-19  4:45   ` Jeremy Olexa
2010-06-19 16:15     ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 17:06       ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-06-19 17:40         ` Richard Freeman
2010-06-19 19:10           ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-06-21  0:00             ` Richard Freeman
2010-06-21  4:39               ` Arun Raghavan
2010-06-19  6:43   ` Patrick Lauer
2010-06-19  7:10     ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2010-06-19  9:32       ` Matti Bickel
2010-06-19 10:54       ` Ben de Groot
2010-06-19 17:44         ` Richard Freeman
2010-06-19 17:59         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2010-06-19 18:57           ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 19:16             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2010-06-19 19:37               ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 21:03           ` Ben de Groot [this message]
2010-06-19 21:20             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2010-06-19 21:48               ` Patrick Lauer
2010-06-19 21:57             ` David Leverton
2010-06-19 22:01               ` Patrick Lauer
2010-06-19 22:13                 ` David Leverton
2010-06-19 22:05               ` Domen Kožar
2010-06-19 22:18                 ` David Leverton
2010-06-19 18:17         ` Dale
2010-06-19 16:20     ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 21:27       ` Patrick Lauer

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