From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OQ1W7-0006iO-PR for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:07:40 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F757E0A03; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:07:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f181.google.com (mail-gx0-f181.google.com [209.85.161.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0846AE09F9 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 17:07:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk25 with SMTP id 25so1133316gxk.40 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 10:07:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9Q+cqNvV7tn0sjUmnYU958bzue9Uy/d4PBSFt9Q2TTI=; b=XKrHj51dALR+lgNZb75DgrGsZAA0b/dHE/Weg5RHmznHuJhlb3A/kBFVZyACo75w0V ZAbEFq+nNW8lLV7Rljk+kUvTafNp1ILdQc8uYkdeMeZXGuqTppABswJntfol8kp5ZCGj 1IRcr6eG48EFjN3sG8mB7cwdYHAhJnnGf5Aek= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=WUlHwVA/TyYglKnKCK5gLcPZQYAPTiM9PQhWuCFj2xvTXDSCBZMjKTrmIwIi3P8ADg bWUxL3xPzt1TSQ75W1QBankRtTnyU5raeX8S6ZDtXOH0NCMI/+PYiZ5O3ZmZD0zEH+oN ktkFLblJrWRDIwXJs3V5SgbdcrqQqDVETRa50= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.24.19 with SMTP id b19mr1546855ybj.341.1276967247618; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 10:07:27 -0700 (PDT) Sender: nirbheek.chauhan@gmail.com Received: by 10.150.216.20 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Jun 2010 10:07:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C1CEA27.1050705@gentoo.org> References: <4C184607.5080907@gentoo.org> <4C1C2A90.1020603@gentoo.org> <4C1C3768.1070008@gentoo.org> <4C1CD646.2070703@gentoo.org> <4C1CEA27.1050705@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 22:37:27 +0530 X-Google-Sender-Auth: JBaVWA1BXwSCXw1YafJXVUWdtE4 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo From: Nirbheek Chauhan To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: f05f4de0-984d-43d1-b586-5b6cd39bee35 X-Archives-Hash: 5ca4a2a05cb9b7a3e881ad93807d999d On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Sebastian Pipping wrote= : > On 06/19/10 17:34, Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: >> No, really, flaming #gentoo-infra on the gentoo-dev mailing list is >> silly, useless *and* ironic (in this case). > > It's not about the infra team, it's about communication in the > #gentoo-infra channel. =C2=A0All of "silly, useless *and* ironic" could u= se > an explaination, at least to me. > * It is silly because this is an insignificant matter compared to the bigger problems. * It is useless because you're approaching this in a completely wrong way; being vehement doesn't convince anyone. * It is ironic because by flaming the people on that channel in a public manner, you are degrading the tone of this mailing list. In fact, by doing what you are doing, you are alienating people who once supported your cause, and wanted to help. You cannot cause change without widespread support. You cannot convince people of your opinions by insulting them, or repeating your arguments emphatically. I advise you to take a break to cool off and think for a while about how you are approaching this. To make someone understand your PoV, you must first understand their PoV and *empathize* with it. --=20 ~Nirbheek Chauhan Gentoo GNOME+Mozilla Team