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From: Matti Bickel <mabi@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 11:32:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4C1C8EA9.3090308@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C1C6D80.3000308@gentoo.org>

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On 06/19/2010 09:10 AM, "Paweł Hajdan, Jr." wrote:
> I think that is the point. Is just not being actively hostile a success?

Given our past, yes. Given the size of our project, yes. The sheer size
of the project guarantees that not everybody will like everyone. They
merely get along and no thread will change that fact. Maybe a developer
get-together like they happen here in the German conspiracy and
elsewhere will, but that's not something you can force-feed others.

> Moreover, we don't just want to get along with ourselves. We want to
> encourage other people to join our community.

I want and will train people who want to scratch their personal
(technical) itches in gentoo to become a developer. "Joining the
community", otoh, takes as much as a /join #gentoo or logging into the
forums. Yes, you can do that just for fun and that's totally fine. If
something prevents users from "joining the community" in this way,
UserRel should have a look at it. Nothing new here.

But all examples of "tone" I've seen in this lengthy thread revolve
around developer (particularly infra/devrel) communications. As has been
said before, the two should not be confused, as they are different
problems and have different solutions.

As for the latter problem, Jorge and Patrick have said all there is to
say about the issue.

> What we should improve, are the human communication skills (including
> mine, eh).

This is nothing "we" can improve. I can't magically improve anyone's
communication skill (and hell, I wish someone could fix mine!). Everyone
decides if that's something he or she wants or needs to work on and how.
Personally, I've observed that leading by example works best here.

So please join me in killing some bugs (gently) today, kthx?


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  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-19  9:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-16  3:33 [gentoo-dev] Tone in Gentoo Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-16  3:51 ` Mike Frysinger
2010-06-16  5:03 ` Alec Warner
2010-06-17  0:14   ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-06-17  0:32     ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-17  9:51       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2010-06-17  9:58         ` Auke Booij
2010-06-17 10:08           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2010-06-17 10:17             ` Angelo Arrifano
2010-06-17 10:01         ` Dale
2010-06-17 10:08         ` Angelo Arrifano
2010-06-17 10:15           ` Angelo Arrifano
2010-06-17 10:17           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2010-06-17 10:26             ` Angelo Arrifano
2010-06-17 12:51             ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-17  2:08     ` Jacob Godserv
2010-06-16  5:43 ` Jeroen Roovers
2010-06-16 15:36   ` [gentoo-dev] " Nikos Chantziaras
2010-06-16 18:18     ` Alec Warner
2010-06-16 18:47       ` Nikos Chantziaras
2010-06-16 22:55         ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-16 19:31     ` Jeroen Roovers
2010-06-17  0:02       ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-16 19:40     ` Roy Bamford
2010-06-16 22:33       ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-17  5:47         ` Duncan
2010-06-17 19:29         ` Roy Bamford
2010-06-18  3:43           ` Jeroen Roovers
2010-06-19  2:51             ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-16 22:14   ` [gentoo-dev] " Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-17  3:24     ` Jeroen Roovers
2010-06-17 12:20       ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-17 17:33         ` Jeroen Roovers
2010-06-16 16:39 ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2010-06-16 17:07   ` Angelo Arrifano
2010-06-16 22:44     ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-16 22:47   ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-16 22:58     ` Steve Dibb
2010-06-17  6:59     ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2010-06-17  0:01   ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-06-17  0:17     ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-17  0:43       ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-06-17  1:13     ` Ben de Groot
2010-06-17  6:46       ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2010-06-17  4:21   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2010-06-19  2:25 ` [gentoo-dev] " Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19  3:20   ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-06-19  4:35     ` Angelo Arrifano
2010-06-19  9:00     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2010-06-19  9:37       ` Brian Harring
2010-06-19 16:33         ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 14:37     ` [gentoo-dev] " Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 14:58       ` Denis Dupeyron
2010-06-19 15:34         ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2010-06-19 16:02           ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 17:07             ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2010-06-19 17:50       ` Wulf C. Krueger
2010-06-19 18:23         ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 20:38         ` Ben de Groot
2010-06-19  4:45   ` Jeremy Olexa
2010-06-19 16:15     ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 17:06       ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-06-19 17:40         ` Richard Freeman
2010-06-19 19:10           ` Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
2010-06-21  0:00             ` Richard Freeman
2010-06-21  4:39               ` Arun Raghavan
2010-06-19  6:43   ` Patrick Lauer
2010-06-19  7:10     ` "Paweł Hajdan, Jr."
2010-06-19  9:32       ` Matti Bickel [this message]
2010-06-19 10:54       ` Ben de Groot
2010-06-19 17:44         ` Richard Freeman
2010-06-19 17:59         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2010-06-19 18:57           ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 19:16             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2010-06-19 19:37               ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 21:03           ` Ben de Groot
2010-06-19 21:20             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2010-06-19 21:48               ` Patrick Lauer
2010-06-19 21:57             ` David Leverton
2010-06-19 22:01               ` Patrick Lauer
2010-06-19 22:13                 ` David Leverton
2010-06-19 22:05               ` Domen Kožar
2010-06-19 22:18                 ` David Leverton
2010-06-19 18:17         ` Dale
2010-06-19 16:20     ` Sebastian Pipping
2010-06-19 21:27       ` Patrick Lauer

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