From: Rich Freeman <rich0@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 19:59:19 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGfcS_k=aS06b7s2_Y4_TrG6ngDafeW6axWEmb4o_iTCQaSUaQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <pan$80e84$b86d03dc$cb8d1a11$c6b95096@cox.net>
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:02 PM, Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@cox.net> wrote:
> I've often wondered just how much faster gentoo could move, and how much
> better we could keep up with upstream, if we weren't so focused on 30+day
> outdated stab?l3 bumping all the time. All that effort... from my
> viewpoint going to waste on something that gentoo really isn't going to
> be that great at anyway, certainly in comparison to other distros which
> REALLY provide a stab?le service, up to a /decade/ outdated, supporting
> often trailing edge software, in an effort to slow down progress for
> people that don't want to move so fast.
I get what you're saying, and I'm going to use a bit of hyperbole so
don't take this too seriously, but couldn't you just as easily argue
that Gentoo could go much faster if we actually took advantage of the
fact that we DO have a stable tree, and stop being so careful about
not breaking the testing tree?
Honestly, I think both trees represent a pretty decent balance. It is
pretty safe to run ~arch for the packages you really are interested
in, and run stable for the stuff that you don't care so much about,
thus limiting your exposure to problems while getting cutting-edge
where you care for it.
Most of the concern in this thread has been about some minor archs
that struggle to keep up. It seems like the simplest solution in
these cases is to just have them focus on @system packages for the
stable tree, and let users deal with more breakage outside of that set
(where it isn't super-disruptive). If you're running a minor arch
chances are that you're happy to have any support at all, since you
sure aren't going to be running Ubuntu...
Rich
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-01-26 0:59 UTC|newest]
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2014-01-14 21:37 [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy William Hubbs
2014-01-14 21:57 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-14 22:33 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-14 22:43 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-14 23:11 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-14 23:22 ` Jeff Horelick
2014-01-15 0:28 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 23:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-01-16 0:23 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 0:47 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15 1:08 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 1:11 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15 1:23 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 1:36 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15 2:09 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-15 2:21 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15 2:34 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 2:40 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15 3:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 2:46 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-16 7:28 ` Christopher Head
2014-01-16 22:44 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-19 22:31 ` Christopher Head
2014-01-20 0:47 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-23 18:12 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2014-01-23 19:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-23 20:55 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-23 22:38 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-23 22:42 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-23 23:50 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 0:04 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-24 3:04 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 3:52 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-24 17:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 18:10 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-24 19:29 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 20:29 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-24 21:55 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 10:46 ` Steven J. Long
2014-01-24 18:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-25 4:02 ` Duncan
2014-01-26 0:50 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-26 0:59 ` Rich Freeman [this message]
2014-01-26 4:53 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-26 11:41 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-26 18:56 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-26 21:35 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-27 7:41 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-27 14:52 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-28 2:45 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-26 22:56 ` Duncan
2014-01-26 23:40 ` Duncan
2014-01-28 12:37 ` Steven J. Long
2014-01-28 12:52 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-01-28 13:18 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-28 13:11 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-29 3:15 ` Duncan
2014-01-29 6:34 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-15 2:42 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 11:33 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 16:57 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 17:20 ` Matthew Thode
2014-01-15 2:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 11:28 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 0:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 0:50 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15 1:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 23:13 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-01-15 0:04 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tom Wijsman
2014-01-14 23:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 0:06 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2014-01-15 0:17 ` Anthony G. Basile
2014-01-15 0:43 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 0:38 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 0:46 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-15 1:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 11:40 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 17:04 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-16 6:20 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-16 15:54 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 17:56 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-16 18:04 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-01-16 18:26 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 20:18 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-01-16 20:40 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 18:11 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 18:42 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-16 19:29 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-16 19:59 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 22:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 3:48 ` grozin
2014-01-15 4:49 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-15 5:07 ` Robin H. Johnson
2014-01-15 8:03 ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2014-01-15 8:18 ` Hans de Graaff
2014-01-15 16:11 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Palimaka
2014-01-15 9:54 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2014-01-15 12:51 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-15 21:41 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-01-15 11:24 ` [gentoo-dev] " Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 11:30 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 15:30 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-16 6:17 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-17 6:06 ` grozin
2014-01-17 7:02 ` grozin
2014-01-17 7:58 ` Matt Turner
2014-01-17 15:02 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-17 15:02 ` Michał Górny
2014-01-18 1:35 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-17 15:31 ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-01-17 16:47 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-17 17:08 ` grozin
2014-01-18 0:34 ` Manuel Rüger
2014-01-17 18:28 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-01-17 23:56 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-18 12:59 ` [gentoo-dev] arch="any" (Re: rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy) Steven J. Long
2014-01-17 17:07 ` noarch packages, was Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy grozin
2014-01-19 8:36 ` Mike Frysinger
2014-01-19 9:28 ` Add a KEYWORD representing any arch (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy) Pacho Ramos
2014-01-19 9:46 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Add a KEYWORD representing any arch Ulrich Mueller
2014-01-19 10:15 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-01-20 19:25 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-22 15:46 ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-01-19 9:48 ` Add a KEYWORD representing any arch (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy) Mike Frysinger
2014-01-17 21:04 ` [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy Maciej Mrozowski
2014-01-15 18:33 ` Thomas Sachau
2014-01-15 19:07 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-16 0:58 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-16 2:32 ` Robin H. Johnson
2014-01-16 5:47 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-19 11:06 ` Thomas Sachau
2014-01-16 6:27 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-16 7:15 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Palimaka
2014-01-15 19:13 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ruud Koolen
2014-01-15 21:54 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
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