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From: Steev Klimaszewski <steev@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 00:34:38 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1390977278.24681.82.camel@oswin.hackershack.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <pan$cc344$1e57d9b1$186bd7b4$fdb82e6d@cox.net>

On Wed, 2014-01-29 at 03:15 +0000, Duncan wrote:
> Tom Wijsman posted on Tue, 28 Jan 2014 14:11:48 +0100 as excerpted:
> 
> [Seven J. Long wrote...]
> 
> >> There's plenty of ways to stay on the bleeding-edge; throwing out the
> >> baby with the bathwater will only tip you over it, and bork the distro
> >> for the rest of us, and everyone down the line.
> > 
> > Why do we have the baby in the first place?
> 
> IOW, it's not throwing the "baby" out with the bathwater any longer, as 
> the "baby" long ago died of old age and is now a decaying corpse; there's 
> no "baby" to throw out any longer!
> 
> Going with the analogy, that package has become an adult, grown old, got 
> sick, died, and now there are rather obvious and smelly signs of decay!  
> The neighbors complained (filed bugs) about the smell and when the 
> authorities investigated they found the decaying body (the bugs are 
> blocked pending removal of a long dead and should be gone version)!
> 
> Yet some slow arch is insisting the corpse is not only alive and well, 
> but that it's still married to it, and the people coming to try and take 
> it away to the morgue aka VCS archives as part of the becoming-a-biohazard 
> cleanup (removing the package, thus unblocking those blocked bugs) are 
> somehow abusing their authority!
> 
> Until the body becomes a biohazard (long dead package presence blocking 
> bug resolution), it's arguably the business of the deluded husband still 
> refusing to believe the death of his wife, but once it becomes a biohazard 
> the rest of the community is now threatened as well and something must be 
> done, thus this thread.
> 
> [OK, the analogy triggered my imagination and I went with it...]
> 

That got dark rather quickly...

And the problem isn't that it's some dead thing around that no one
wants, at least, no one except the team that it's the ONLY working
version... so we go from having a decrepit but working version to... no
alternative.



  reply	other threads:[~2014-01-29  6:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-14 21:37 [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy William Hubbs
2014-01-14 21:57 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-14 22:33   ` William Hubbs
2014-01-14 22:43     ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-14 23:11       ` William Hubbs
2014-01-14 23:22         ` Jeff Horelick
2014-01-15  0:28           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 23:59             ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-01-16  0:23               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15  0:47         ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15  1:08           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15  1:11             ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15  1:23               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15  1:36                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15  2:09                   ` William Hubbs
2014-01-15  2:21                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15  2:34                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15  2:40                         ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15  3:26                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15  2:46                       ` William Hubbs
2014-01-16  7:28                         ` Christopher Head
2014-01-16 22:44                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-19 22:31                             ` Christopher Head
2014-01-20  0:47                               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-23 18:12                                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2014-01-23 19:13                                   ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-23 20:55                                     ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-23 22:38                                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-23 22:42                                         ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-23 23:50                                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24  0:04                                             ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-24  3:04                                               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24  3:52                                                 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-24 17:26                                                   ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 18:10                                                     ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-24 19:29                                                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 20:29                                                         ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-24 21:55                                                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 10:46                                     ` Steven J. Long
2014-01-24 18:26                                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-25  4:02                                         ` Duncan
2014-01-26  0:50                                           ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-26  0:59                                           ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-26  4:53                                             ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-26 11:41                                               ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-26 18:56                                                 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-26 21:35                                                   ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-27  7:41                                                     ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-27 14:52                                                       ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-28  2:45                                                         ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-26 22:56                                             ` Duncan
2014-01-26 23:40                                               ` Duncan
2014-01-28 12:37                                         ` Steven J. Long
2014-01-28 12:52                                           ` Alan McKinnon
2014-01-28 13:18                                             ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-28 13:11                                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-29  3:15                                             ` Duncan
2014-01-29  6:34                                               ` Steev Klimaszewski [this message]
2014-01-15  2:42                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 11:33                       ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 16:57                         ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 17:20                           ` Matthew Thode
2014-01-15  2:26                   ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 11:28         ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-15  0:13       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15  0:50         ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15  1:13           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 23:13           ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-01-15  0:04   ` [gentoo-dev] " Tom Wijsman
2014-01-14 23:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15  0:06   ` Andreas K. Huettel
2014-01-15  0:17     ` Anthony G. Basile
2014-01-15  0:43       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15  0:38     ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15  0:46       ` William Hubbs
2014-01-15  1:26         ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 11:40   ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 17:04     ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-16  6:20       ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-16 15:54         ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 17:56           ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-16 18:04             ` Alan McKinnon
2014-01-16 18:26               ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 20:18                 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-01-16 20:40                   ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 18:11             ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 18:42               ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-16 19:29                 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-16 19:59                 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 22:49         ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15  3:48 ` grozin
2014-01-15  4:49   ` William Hubbs
2014-01-15  5:07     ` Robin H. Johnson
2014-01-15  8:03     ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2014-01-15  8:18     ` Hans de Graaff
2014-01-15 16:11     ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Palimaka
2014-01-15  9:54 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2014-01-15 12:51   ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-15 21:41     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-01-15 11:24 ` [gentoo-dev] " Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 11:30 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 15:30   ` William Hubbs
2014-01-16  6:17     ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-17  6:06       ` grozin
2014-01-17  7:02         ` grozin
2014-01-17  7:58           ` Matt Turner
2014-01-17 15:02             ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-17 15:02           ` Michał Górny
2014-01-18  1:35             ` William Hubbs
2014-01-17 15:31           ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-01-17 16:47             ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-17 17:08               ` grozin
2014-01-18  0:34                 ` Manuel Rüger
2014-01-17 18:28               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-01-17 23:56                 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-18 12:59                   ` [gentoo-dev] arch="any" (Re: rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy) Steven J. Long
2014-01-17 17:07             ` noarch packages, was Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy grozin
2014-01-19  8:36           ` Mike Frysinger
2014-01-19  9:28             ` Add a KEYWORD representing any arch (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy) Pacho Ramos
2014-01-19  9:46               ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Add a KEYWORD representing any arch Ulrich Mueller
2014-01-19 10:15                 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-01-20 19:25                 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-22 15:46                 ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-01-19  9:48               ` Add a KEYWORD representing any arch (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy) Mike Frysinger
2014-01-17 21:04         ` [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy Maciej Mrozowski
2014-01-15 18:33 ` Thomas Sachau
2014-01-15 19:07   ` William Hubbs
2014-01-16  0:58     ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-16  2:32       ` Robin H. Johnson
2014-01-16  5:47         ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-19 11:06     ` Thomas Sachau
2014-01-16  6:27   ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-16  7:15     ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Palimaka
2014-01-15 19:13 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ruud Koolen
2014-01-15 21:54   ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth

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