From: Tom Wijsman <TomWij@gentoo.org>
To: alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
Cc: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 14:18:06 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140128141806.0539be59@TOMWIJ-GENTOO> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52E7A82B.7070105@gmail.com>
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On Tue, 28 Jan 2014 14:52:59 +0200
Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 28/01/2014 14:37, Steven J. Long wrote:
> > I concur that "QA should be focusing on making stable, actually
> > stable, not more bleeding edge." That's not a "performance" issue
> > as you put it, except in management nuspeek. It's the whole bloody
> > point of the distro, in overarching terms: to test and stabilise
> > robust ebuilds. That process is what leads to better software, not
> > staying at the "bleeding-edge" and forgetting about robustness
> > since "a new version is out."
>
> +1
>
> Nice to see a dev echo my sentiments almost word for word exactly.
>
> 9 years later I'm still here, still running Gentoo on all my hosts
> (over 10 at last count excluding VMs). Why? Because Gentoo
> just.works.right.every.single.time, even on ~arch - and that is an
> amazing accomplishment for an distro never mind a USE based one.
>
> If I want bleeding edge I'll use funtoo or exherbo or unmask
> everything -9999. If I want the latest new! improved! shiny! crap
> re-implemented yet again and badly, there's Ubuntu or nightlies from
> rawhide.
Bleeding edge in this context is ~arch, this is a contradiction.
> The joy of Gentoo is that it works on just about anything. Stable
> well-tested code continues to just work for the most part even on
> slacker arches even if the ebuild is years old. When stable is just a
> bit too stable for a specific case, we have overlays and
> /usr/local/portage/cat/pkg.
Do you mean unstable?
> This is why Gentoo works so well, because the weird arches still get
> to play on the same playground with the other kids. I work at a
> carrier ISP and you'd be pleasantly surprised to see just how many
> gentoo-powered vendor POC blackboxes come through the office from
> vendors wanting to sell their network magic. Business seems to have
> cottoned onto the idea that gentoo let's you stop wasting time with
> make and rather fire off emerge, doesn't matter what the silicon is.
+1 but can you please consider to stay on the topic of this thread?
> Slow arches is the price for supporting everything out there. But so
> what? If slow_arch_X is stuck on some old version of an @system
> package, who cares?
The people whom process gets blocked do.
> It's not like portage will pick it for an amd64 box. An old ebuild is
> a file, it sits next to 178,477 files and does no harm, it only gets
> used on hardware that needs it.
It can harm in the long run, as shown in some of the other sub threads;
generalizations like "does no harm" can very well fit as to what you
perceive when you would try it out, but it doesn't exclude harm overall.
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With kind regards,
Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
Gentoo Developer
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2014-01-14 21:37 [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy William Hubbs
2014-01-14 21:57 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-14 22:33 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-14 22:43 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-14 23:11 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-14 23:22 ` Jeff Horelick
2014-01-15 0:28 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 23:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-01-16 0:23 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 0:47 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15 1:08 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 1:11 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15 1:23 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 1:36 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15 2:09 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-15 2:21 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15 2:34 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 2:40 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15 3:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 2:46 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-16 7:28 ` Christopher Head
2014-01-16 22:44 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-19 22:31 ` Christopher Head
2014-01-20 0:47 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-23 18:12 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2014-01-23 19:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-23 20:55 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-23 22:38 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-23 22:42 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-23 23:50 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 0:04 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-24 3:04 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 3:52 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-24 17:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 18:10 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-24 19:29 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 20:29 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-24 21:55 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 10:46 ` Steven J. Long
2014-01-24 18:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-25 4:02 ` Duncan
2014-01-26 0:50 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-26 0:59 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-26 4:53 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-26 11:41 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-26 18:56 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-26 21:35 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-27 7:41 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-27 14:52 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-28 2:45 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-26 22:56 ` Duncan
2014-01-26 23:40 ` Duncan
2014-01-28 12:37 ` Steven J. Long
2014-01-28 12:52 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-01-28 13:18 ` Tom Wijsman [this message]
2014-01-28 13:11 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-29 3:15 ` Duncan
2014-01-29 6:34 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-15 2:42 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 11:33 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 16:57 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 17:20 ` Matthew Thode
2014-01-15 2:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 11:28 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 0:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 0:50 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15 1:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 23:13 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-01-15 0:04 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tom Wijsman
2014-01-14 23:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 0:06 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2014-01-15 0:17 ` Anthony G. Basile
2014-01-15 0:43 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 0:38 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 0:46 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-15 1:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 11:40 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 17:04 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-16 6:20 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-16 15:54 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 17:56 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-16 18:04 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-01-16 18:26 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 20:18 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-01-16 20:40 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 18:11 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 18:42 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-16 19:29 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-16 19:59 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 22:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 3:48 ` grozin
2014-01-15 4:49 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-15 5:07 ` Robin H. Johnson
2014-01-15 8:03 ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2014-01-15 8:18 ` Hans de Graaff
2014-01-15 16:11 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Palimaka
2014-01-15 9:54 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2014-01-15 12:51 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-15 21:41 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-01-15 11:24 ` [gentoo-dev] " Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 11:30 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 15:30 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-16 6:17 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-17 6:06 ` grozin
2014-01-17 7:02 ` grozin
2014-01-17 7:58 ` Matt Turner
2014-01-17 15:02 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-17 15:02 ` Michał Górny
2014-01-18 1:35 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-17 15:31 ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-01-17 16:47 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-17 17:08 ` grozin
2014-01-18 0:34 ` Manuel Rüger
2014-01-17 18:28 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-01-17 23:56 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-18 12:59 ` [gentoo-dev] arch="any" (Re: rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy) Steven J. Long
2014-01-17 17:07 ` noarch packages, was Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy grozin
2014-01-19 8:36 ` Mike Frysinger
2014-01-19 9:28 ` Add a KEYWORD representing any arch (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy) Pacho Ramos
2014-01-19 9:46 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Add a KEYWORD representing any arch Ulrich Mueller
2014-01-19 10:15 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-01-20 19:25 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-22 15:46 ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-01-19 9:48 ` Add a KEYWORD representing any arch (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy) Mike Frysinger
2014-01-17 21:04 ` [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy Maciej Mrozowski
2014-01-15 18:33 ` Thomas Sachau
2014-01-15 19:07 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-16 0:58 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-16 2:32 ` Robin H. Johnson
2014-01-16 5:47 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-19 11:06 ` Thomas Sachau
2014-01-16 6:27 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-16 7:15 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Palimaka
2014-01-15 19:13 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ruud Koolen
2014-01-15 21:54 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
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