From: Michael Orlitzky <mjo@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:36:10 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <52D5E60A.80600@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140115022337.4336618d@TOMWIJ-GENTOO>
On 01/14/2014 08:23 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 20:11:24 -0500
> Michael Orlitzky <mjo@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
>> On 01/14/2014 08:08 PM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
>>>
>>> This is under the assumption that the user knows of the state of the
>>> stabilization worsening; if the user is unaware of that change, the
>>> "could have done anyway" might be less common and first something
>>> bad would need to happen before they realize the worsened
>>> stabilization.
>>>
>>
>> If I don't realize it, it ain't broke.
>
> So, you're going to wait for corruption, a security breach or something
> along those lines to happen first?
I will wait for them to be *known*.
Security stabilizations are already treated special, so while they'd
make a nice example here you don't get to invoke them =)
It's highly unlikely that one day a stable piece of software is just
going to start corrupting data randomly when some other stable package
is updated. Why? Because arch testers have to test them before they go
stable! It's even more unlikely that upgrading to untested stuff would
be safer than staying put, which is really all I care about given a
choice between the two.
For really bad cases like data corruption we already have procedures
that allow quick stabilization ("reasonable amount of time..."). All
we're really talking about here is forcing me to upgrade to an unstable
package for some features or bugfixes I don't care about.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-01-15 1:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-01-14 21:37 [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy William Hubbs
2014-01-14 21:57 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-14 22:33 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-14 22:43 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-14 23:11 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-14 23:22 ` Jeff Horelick
2014-01-15 0:28 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 23:59 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-01-16 0:23 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 0:47 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15 1:08 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 1:11 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15 1:23 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 1:36 ` Michael Orlitzky [this message]
2014-01-15 2:09 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-15 2:21 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15 2:34 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 2:40 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15 3:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 2:46 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-16 7:28 ` Christopher Head
2014-01-16 22:44 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-19 22:31 ` Christopher Head
2014-01-20 0:47 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-23 18:12 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2014-01-23 19:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-23 20:55 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-23 22:38 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-23 22:42 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-23 23:50 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 0:04 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-24 3:04 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 3:52 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-24 17:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 18:10 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-24 19:29 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 20:29 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-24 21:55 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 10:46 ` Steven J. Long
2014-01-24 18:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-25 4:02 ` Duncan
2014-01-26 0:50 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-26 0:59 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-26 4:53 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-26 11:41 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-26 18:56 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-26 21:35 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-27 7:41 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-27 14:52 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-28 2:45 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-26 22:56 ` Duncan
2014-01-26 23:40 ` Duncan
2014-01-28 12:37 ` Steven J. Long
2014-01-28 12:52 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-01-28 13:18 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-28 13:11 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-29 3:15 ` Duncan
2014-01-29 6:34 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-15 2:42 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 11:33 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 16:57 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 17:20 ` Matthew Thode
2014-01-15 2:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 11:28 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 0:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 0:50 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15 1:13 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 23:13 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-01-15 0:04 ` [gentoo-dev] " Tom Wijsman
2014-01-14 23:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 0:06 ` Andreas K. Huettel
2014-01-15 0:17 ` Anthony G. Basile
2014-01-15 0:43 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 0:38 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 0:46 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-15 1:26 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 11:40 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 17:04 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-16 6:20 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-16 15:54 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 17:56 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-16 18:04 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-01-16 18:26 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 20:18 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-01-16 20:40 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 18:11 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 18:42 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-16 19:29 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-16 19:59 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 22:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 3:48 ` grozin
2014-01-15 4:49 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-15 5:07 ` Robin H. Johnson
2014-01-15 8:03 ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2014-01-15 8:18 ` Hans de Graaff
2014-01-15 16:11 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Palimaka
2014-01-15 9:54 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2014-01-15 12:51 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-15 21:41 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-01-15 11:24 ` [gentoo-dev] " Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 11:30 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 15:30 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-16 6:17 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-17 6:06 ` grozin
2014-01-17 7:02 ` grozin
2014-01-17 7:58 ` Matt Turner
2014-01-17 15:02 ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-17 15:02 ` Michał Górny
2014-01-18 1:35 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-17 15:31 ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-01-17 16:47 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-17 17:08 ` grozin
2014-01-18 0:34 ` Manuel Rüger
2014-01-17 18:28 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-01-17 23:56 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-18 12:59 ` [gentoo-dev] arch="any" (Re: rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy) Steven J. Long
2014-01-17 17:07 ` noarch packages, was Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy grozin
2014-01-19 8:36 ` Mike Frysinger
2014-01-19 9:28 ` Add a KEYWORD representing any arch (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy) Pacho Ramos
2014-01-19 9:46 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Add a KEYWORD representing any arch Ulrich Mueller
2014-01-19 10:15 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-01-20 19:25 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-22 15:46 ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-01-19 9:48 ` Add a KEYWORD representing any arch (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy) Mike Frysinger
2014-01-17 21:04 ` [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy Maciej Mrozowski
2014-01-15 18:33 ` Thomas Sachau
2014-01-15 19:07 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-16 0:58 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-16 2:32 ` Robin H. Johnson
2014-01-16 5:47 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-19 11:06 ` Thomas Sachau
2014-01-16 6:27 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-16 7:15 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Palimaka
2014-01-15 19:13 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ruud Koolen
2014-01-15 21:54 ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth
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