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From: Matthew Thode <prometheanfire@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 11:20:03 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52D6C343.5060108@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140115175722.27b76cb7@TOMWIJ-GENTOO>

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On 01/15/2014 10:57 AM, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 15:33:28 +0400
> Sergey Popov <pinkbyte@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
>> 15.01.2014 06:42, Tom Wijsman пишет:
>>> And for that occasional mis-guess, *boohoo*, the user can just file
>>> a bug; which ironically even happens occasionally for stable
>>> packages.
>>
>> If we blindly approves increasing of such mis-guesses, then our QA
>> level in arch teams will down below the apropriate level IMO. And
>> this is not good first of all for our stable users.
> 
> What I'm saying is that even on arch team stabilized ebuilds bugs
> getting filed happens as well; so, it happening for a maintainer
> stabilized ebuild wouldn't be so problematic from that perspective.
> 
> But, indeed, it depends on which arch team procedure efforts the
> maintainer actually applies; on an own arch it is quite possible for
> the maintainer to be near the QA level of the arch team, whereas not
> having access to a certain architecture can indeed become problematic.
> 
> So, for the arches the maintainers do have, it depends on what the
> maintainers do as much as what the arch teams do; and to be realistic
> arch teams might not always do everything as intended, especially under
> time pressure. In my opinion, a maintainer would even spend more time.
> 
> As for arches the maintainer does not have, the available machines
> might be usable; though the doubt is whether they have enough power.
> 
> Most of this discussion is hypothetical assuming stabilization stays
> (or continues to grow to be more) problematic; who knows we might get
> to see the opposite effect that this thread yields some new arch team
> members, which could make what we've discussed here not necessary in the
> short term run. It is clear everyone wants to hold on to the arch teams.
> 
I would like to see the ability for devs to become arch testers for the
packages they own on the architectures they have access to.  The hard
part is enforcing the arch testing guidelines, so maybe this can be
considered 'arch tester jr.'.

-- 
-- Matthew Thode (prometheanfire)


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  reply	other threads:[~2014-01-15 17:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-14 21:37 [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy William Hubbs
2014-01-14 21:57 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-14 22:33   ` William Hubbs
2014-01-14 22:43     ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-14 23:11       ` William Hubbs
2014-01-14 23:22         ` Jeff Horelick
2014-01-15  0:28           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 23:59             ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-01-16  0:23               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15  0:47         ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15  1:08           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15  1:11             ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15  1:23               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15  1:36                 ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15  2:09                   ` William Hubbs
2014-01-15  2:21                     ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15  2:34                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15  2:40                         ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15  3:26                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15  2:46                       ` William Hubbs
2014-01-16  7:28                         ` Christopher Head
2014-01-16 22:44                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-19 22:31                             ` Christopher Head
2014-01-20  0:47                               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-23 18:12                                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Steven J. Long
2014-01-23 19:13                                   ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-23 20:55                                     ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-23 22:38                                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-23 22:42                                         ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-23 23:50                                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24  0:04                                             ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-24  3:04                                               ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24  3:52                                                 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-24 17:26                                                   ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 18:10                                                     ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-24 19:29                                                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 20:29                                                         ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-24 21:55                                                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-24 10:46                                     ` Steven J. Long
2014-01-24 18:26                                       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-25  4:02                                         ` Duncan
2014-01-26  0:50                                           ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-26  0:59                                           ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-26  4:53                                             ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-26 11:41                                               ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-26 18:56                                                 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-26 21:35                                                   ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-27  7:41                                                     ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-27 14:52                                                       ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-28  2:45                                                         ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-26 22:56                                             ` Duncan
2014-01-26 23:40                                               ` Duncan
2014-01-28 12:37                                         ` Steven J. Long
2014-01-28 12:52                                           ` Alan McKinnon
2014-01-28 13:18                                             ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-28 13:11                                           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-29  3:15                                             ` Duncan
2014-01-29  6:34                                               ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-15  2:42                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 11:33                       ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 16:57                         ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 17:20                           ` Matthew Thode [this message]
2014-01-15  2:26                   ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 11:28         ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-15  0:13       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15  0:50         ` Michael Orlitzky
2014-01-15  1:13           ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 23:13           ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-01-15  0:04   ` [gentoo-dev] " Tom Wijsman
2014-01-14 23:49 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15  0:06   ` Andreas K. Huettel
2014-01-15  0:17     ` Anthony G. Basile
2014-01-15  0:43       ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15  0:38     ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15  0:46       ` William Hubbs
2014-01-15  1:26         ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15 11:40   ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 17:04     ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-16  6:20       ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-16 15:54         ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 17:56           ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-16 18:04             ` Alan McKinnon
2014-01-16 18:26               ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 20:18                 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-01-16 20:40                   ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 18:11             ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 18:42               ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-16 19:29                 ` William Hubbs
2014-01-16 19:59                 ` Peter Stuge
2014-01-16 22:49         ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-15  3:48 ` grozin
2014-01-15  4:49   ` William Hubbs
2014-01-15  5:07     ` Robin H. Johnson
2014-01-15  8:03     ` Dirkjan Ochtman
2014-01-15  8:18     ` Hans de Graaff
2014-01-15 16:11     ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Palimaka
2014-01-15  9:54 ` [gentoo-dev] " Michał Górny
2014-01-15 12:51   ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-15 21:41     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2014-01-15 11:24 ` [gentoo-dev] " Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 11:30 ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-15 15:30   ` William Hubbs
2014-01-16  6:17     ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-17  6:06       ` grozin
2014-01-17  7:02         ` grozin
2014-01-17  7:58           ` Matt Turner
2014-01-17 15:02             ` Rich Freeman
2014-01-17 15:02           ` Michał Górny
2014-01-18  1:35             ` William Hubbs
2014-01-17 15:31           ` Ulrich Mueller
2014-01-17 16:47             ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-17 17:08               ` grozin
2014-01-18  0:34                 ` Manuel Rüger
2014-01-17 18:28               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2014-01-17 23:56                 ` Tom Wijsman
2014-01-18 12:59                   ` [gentoo-dev] arch="any" (Re: rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy) Steven J. Long
2014-01-17 17:07             ` noarch packages, was Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy grozin
2014-01-19  8:36           ` Mike Frysinger
2014-01-19  9:28             ` Add a KEYWORD representing any arch (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy) Pacho Ramos
2014-01-19  9:46               ` [gentoo-dev] Re: Add a KEYWORD representing any arch Ulrich Mueller
2014-01-19 10:15                 ` Pacho Ramos
2014-01-20 19:25                 ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-22 15:46                 ` Jeroen Roovers
2014-01-19  9:48               ` Add a KEYWORD representing any arch (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy) Mike Frysinger
2014-01-17 21:04         ` [gentoo-dev] rfc: revisiting our stabilization policy Maciej Mrozowski
2014-01-15 18:33 ` Thomas Sachau
2014-01-15 19:07   ` William Hubbs
2014-01-16  0:58     ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-16  2:32       ` Robin H. Johnson
2014-01-16  5:47         ` Steev Klimaszewski
2014-01-19 11:06     ` Thomas Sachau
2014-01-16  6:27   ` Sergey Popov
2014-01-16  7:15     ` [gentoo-dev] " Michael Palimaka
2014-01-15 19:13 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ruud Koolen
2014-01-15 21:54   ` [gentoo-dev] " Martin Vaeth

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