Re: [gentoo-dev] reason for dhcpcd in system profile ?

[Luke-Jr <luke-jr@gentoo.org>]

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On Sunday 24 August 2003 08:15 am, Martin Schlemmer wrote:
> Man pages is an integrate part of a system in my opinion - how anyhow
> are you going to tell them to RTFM if not there :P
Have the install manual suggest installation of them.
>
> > ext2/ext3 are still considered Linux native, so that may be justification
> > for their inclusion in system, if not for the fact that reiserfs is a bad
> > idea for a /boot partition... I wouldn't have any objection to their
> > removal from system, though.
>
> e2fsprogs provide /sbin/fsck ... 8)
fsck, unless I'm mistaken, merely detects the filesystem and runs 
fsck.{ext3,xfs,reiserfs,etc}. It could probably be provided by all packages 
which provide a fsck, or baselayout.
>
> > If rsync is in system, it probably should be removed. Portage could quite
> > easilly just install it when the user tries to sync if need be.
>
> So we devs are going to start moaning because we have rsync installed ?
I doubt anyone is going to whine because they have something they don't need 
installed. The reason to whine is because it's installed *by default*. rsync 
is really cool, but it doesn't really have any reason for being installed 
before the user wants it.
>
> > hdparm, fbset may also be neccesary for system usage in some cases. I
> > would agree that 'less' does not belong in system, though.
>
> Hmm, i would not agree 100% 8)
>
> ------------------------------
> $ PAGER=foo man gcc
> sh: line 1: foo: command not found
> Error executing formatting or display command.
> System command (cd /usr/share/gcc-data/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3/man &&
> (echo ".ll 11.1i"; echo ".nr LL 11.1i"; echo ".pl 1100i"; /bin/gunzip -c
> '/usr/share/gcc-data/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3/man/man1/gcc.1.gz'; echo;
> echo ".pl \n(nlu+10") | /usr/bin/gtbl | /usr/bin/nroff -Tlatin1 -c
> -mandoc | foo) exited with status 127.
> No manual entry for gcc
> -------------------------------
>
> But then I guess man pages is not needed, right :)  Question is, is
> 'more' needed there - that I would say no, but then I feel 'less' is
> more the default ...
>
> > To exclude network related programs from system, one would have to modify
> > baselayout to use the nonetwork initlevel by default logically, and I
> > don't think that would be too simple (and might require a 'network' USE
> > flag).
>
> In general the 'system' profile have everything that should be needed to
> get a system functioning at a minimal level, with then a few extras that
> we found to be annoying in general.  Take perl - sure its big, but
> automake is a perl script ..... is automake required on a Gentoo box ?
>
> All in all, most things in there is after careful thought - and should
> be removed after 10x more of 'careful thought'.
- -- 
Luke-Jr
Developer, Gentoo Linux
http://www.gentoo.org/
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