From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11440 invoked by uid 1002); 25 Aug 2003 02:19:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 10856 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2003 02:19:11 -0000 From: Luke-Jr Organization: Gentoo Linux To: azarah@gentoo.org Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 02:18:52 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 Cc: Yuri Enshin , Gentoo-Dev References: <20030823210429.57e7e85c.genone@genone.de> <200308232316.08493.luke-jr@gentoo.org> <1061712914.13460.20.camel@nosferatu.lan> In-Reply-To: <1061712914.13460.20.camel@nosferatu.lan> GPG-Public-Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD53E9583 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="shift_jis" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: clearsigned data Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308250219.08409.luke-jr@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] reason for dhcpcd in system profile ? X-Archives-Salt: 0f0dd105-2313-43ea-ac19-16c2e78c081f X-Archives-Hash: e346381240c876da7a0e4556620b3e51 =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 24 August 2003 08:15 am, Martin Schlemmer wrote: > Man pages is an integrate part of a system in my opinion - how anyhow > are you going to tell them to RTFM if not there :P Have the install manual suggest installation of them. > > > ext2/ext3 are still considered Linux native, so that may be justificati= on > > for their inclusion in system, if not for the fact that reiserfs is a b= ad > > idea for a /boot partition... I wouldn't have any objection to their > > removal from system, though. > > e2fsprogs provide /sbin/fsck ... 8) fsck, unless I'm mistaken, merely detects the filesystem and runs=20 fsck.{ext3,xfs,reiserfs,etc}. It could probably be provided by all packages= =20 which provide a fsck, or baselayout. > > > If rsync is in system, it probably should be removed. Portage could qui= te > > easilly just install it when the user tries to sync if need be. > > So we devs are going to start moaning because we have rsync installed ? I doubt anyone is going to whine because they have something they don't nee= d=20 installed. The reason to whine is because it's installed *by default*. rsyn= c=20 is really cool, but it doesn't really have any reason for being installed=20 before the user wants it. > > > hdparm, fbset may also be neccesary for system usage in some cases. I > > would agree that 'less' does not belong in system, though. > > Hmm, i would not agree 100% 8) > > ------------------------------ > $ PAGER=3Dfoo man gcc > sh: line 1: foo: command not found > Error executing formatting or display command. > System command (cd /usr/share/gcc-data/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3/man && > (echo ".ll 11.1i"; echo ".nr LL 11.1i"; echo ".pl 1100i"; /bin/gunzip -c > '/usr/share/gcc-data/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3/man/man1/gcc.1.gz'; echo; > echo ".pl \n(nlu+10") | /usr/bin/gtbl | /usr/bin/nroff -Tlatin1 -c > -mandoc | foo) exited with status 127. > No manual entry for gcc > ------------------------------- > > But then I guess man pages is not needed, right :) Question is, is > 'more' needed there - that I would say no, but then I feel 'less' is > more the default ... > > > To exclude network related programs from system, one would have to modi= fy > > baselayout to use the nonetwork initlevel by default logically, and I > > don't think that would be too simple (and might require a 'network' USE > > flag). > > In general the 'system' profile have everything that should be needed to > get a system functioning at a minimal level, with then a few extras that > we found to be annoying in general. Take perl - sure its big, but > automake is a perl script ..... is automake required on a Gentoo box ? > > All in all, most things in there is after careful thought - and should > be removed after 10x more of 'careful thought'. =2D --=20 Luke-Jr Developer, Gentoo Linux http://www.gentoo.org/ =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/SXIYZl/BHdU+lYMRAozvAJ93P3oG7v96YyD0Y0eqWsN5AhkxqwCcD3og Ld3g9krrYTpiwDRrjg2nX5o=3D =3DwdnR =2D----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list