[gentoo-user] Did I not get the memo about perl & python?

[gentoo-user] Did I not get the memo about perl & python?

[Mark Knecht]

Sort of strange. One of my machines just showed up wanting to rebuild
about 25 packages due to a USE flag change? All the packages were
showing -perl and/or -python. Seemed like a strange change at this
point in the life of a desktop PC so I added both flags to make.conf
and the machine is once again content to update just a couple of
packages.

I don't recall seeing any discussion about this.Was there??

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Did I not get the memo about perl & python?

[Michael Orlitzky]

On 10/17/2011 05:07 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
> Sort of strange. One of my machines just showed up wanting to rebuild
> about 25 packages due to a USE flag change? All the packages were
> showing -perl and/or -python. Seemed like a strange change at this
> point in the life of a desktop PC so I added both flags to make.conf
> and the machine is once again content to update just a couple of
> packages.
> 
> I don't recall seeing any discussion about this.Was there??
> 

Not really. This is about it:

  http://blog.jolexa.net/

I complained about the lack of USE flag documentation, life goes on. You
can probably do without them set.

Re: [gentoo-user] Did I not get the memo about perl & python?

[Mark Knecht]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Michael Orlitzky <michael@orlitzky.com> wrote:
> On 10/17/2011 05:07 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
>> Sort of strange. One of my machines just showed up wanting to rebuild
>> about 25 packages due to a USE flag change? All the packages were
>> showing -perl and/or -python. Seemed like a strange change at this
>> point in the life of a desktop PC so I added both flags to make.conf
>> and the machine is once again content to update just a couple of
>> packages.
>>
>> I don't recall seeing any discussion about this.Was there??
>>
>
> Not really. This is about it:
>
>  http://blog.jolexa.net/
>
> I complained about the lack of USE flag documentation, life goes on. You
> can probably do without them set.
>
>

<hehe> So who is this Jeremy guy anyway, thinking he'll just change
USE flag defaults to make _his_ life easier? ;-)

OK, I'm fine with it, and glad to know I wasn't purposely left off the
distribution list. I go into a funk and am hard to be around when that
happens... ;-)

Chaeers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Did I not get the memo about perl & python?

[Alex Schuster]

Mark Knecht writes:

> Sort of strange. One of my machines just showed up wanting to rebuild
> about 25 packages due to a USE flag change? All the packages were
> showing -perl and/or -python. Seemed like a strange change at this
> point in the life of a desktop PC so I added both flags to make.conf
> and the machine is once again content to update just a couple of
> packages.
> 
> I don't recall seeing any discussion about this.Was there??

There was a message on the gentoo-announce list on Sept. 30th:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello,

In a few days, USE={python,perl} will be removed from the profile
defaults. There has been sufficient levels of testing so the impact to
users will be small besides a potentially large number of rebuilds
which should not be a cause for alarm. The end result will be
beneficial for a vast majority of people.

See further reading:
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev-announce/msg_ae405bb743eeda9dc66773998ee50759.xml

Thanks,
Jeremy
----------------------------------------------------------------------

It has also been discussed a little here, at least in the 'tabbed
x11-terms/rxvt-unicode' thread. But that only deals with some
implications of the flag removal, not so much about why they have been
removed. I think.

	Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Did I not get the memo about perl & python?

[Dale]

Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Michael Orlitzky<michael@orlitzky.com>  wrote:
>> On 10/17/2011 05:07 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
>>> Sort of strange. One of my machines just showed up wanting to rebuild
>>> about 25 packages due to a USE flag change? All the packages were
>>> showing -perl and/or -python. Seemed like a strange change at this
>>> point in the life of a desktop PC so I added both flags to make.conf
>>> and the machine is once again content to update just a couple of
>>> packages.
>>>
>>> I don't recall seeing any discussion about this.Was there??
>>>
>> Not really. This is about it:
>>
>>   http://blog.jolexa.net/
>>
>> I complained about the lack of USE flag documentation, life goes on. You
>> can probably do without them set.
>>
>>
> <hehe>  So who is this Jeremy guy anyway, thinking he'll just change
> USE flag defaults to make _his_ life easier? ;-)
>
> OK, I'm fine with it, and glad to know I wasn't purposely left off the
> distribution list. I go into a funk and am hard to be around when that
> happens... ;-)
>
> Chaeers,
> Mark
>
>

I disabled mine a while back.  I had only one package that I had to add 
it back in package.use.  As far as I can tell, everything works fine.  
Package you wonder:

app-mobilephone/gammu python

May want to think about removing them, if it interests you.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Did I not get the memo about perl & python?

[Mark Knecht]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org> wrote:
> Mark Knecht writes:
>
>> Sort of strange. One of my machines just showed up wanting to rebuild
>> about 25 packages due to a USE flag change? All the packages were
>> showing -perl and/or -python. Seemed like a strange change at this
>> point in the life of a desktop PC so I added both flags to make.conf
>> and the machine is once again content to update just a couple of
>> packages.
>>
>> I don't recall seeing any discussion about this.Was there??
>
> There was a message on the gentoo-announce list on Sept. 30th:
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Hello,
>
> In a few days, USE={python,perl} will be removed from the profile
> defaults. There has been sufficient levels of testing so the impact to
> users will be small besides a potentially large number of rebuilds
> which should not be a cause for alarm. The end result will be
> beneficial for a vast majority of people.
>
> See further reading:
> http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev-announce/msg_ae405bb743eeda9dc66773998ee50759.xml
>
> Thanks,
> Jeremy
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> It has also been discussed a little here, at least in the 'tabbed
> x11-terms/rxvt-unicode' thread. But that only deals with some
> implications of the flag removal, not so much about why they have been
> removed. I think.
>
>        Wonko

Interesting.  I guess I'm no longer subscribed 'cause I haven't seen a
message from there in months. I'll go resubscribe.

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Did I not get the memo about perl & python?

[Alex Schuster]

Mark Knecht writes:

> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org> wrote:
>> Mark Knecht writes:

>>> I don't recall seeing any discussion about this.Was there??
>>
>> There was a message on the gentoo-announce list on Sept. 30th:
[...]

> Interesting.  I guess I'm no longer subscribed 'cause I haven't seen a
> message from there in months. I'll go resubscribe.

The list has been quite dead since June, then came the posting I quoted,
and since October 8th there were some 15 GLSA postings. So it's a good
resource again now.

	Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Did I not get the memo about perl & python?

[Mark Knecht]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org> wrote:
> Mark Knecht writes:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org> wrote:
>>> Mark Knecht writes:
>
>>>> I don't recall seeing any discussion about this.Was there??
>>>
>>> There was a message on the gentoo-announce list on Sept. 30th:
> [...]
>
>> Interesting.  I guess I'm no longer subscribed 'cause I haven't seen a
>> message from there in months. I'll go resubscribe.
>
> The list has been quite dead since June, then came the posting I quoted,
> and since October 8th there were some 15 GLSA postings. So it's a good
> resource again now.
>
>        Wonko

Good to know. I've gotten so used to getting important stuff via
eselect news read that I'm a bit surprised they didn't push a message
out about this.

None the less, thanks for the info!

Cheers,
Mark