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* [gentoo-user] Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing?
@ 2009-07-06 14:12 Grant
  2009-07-06 14:38 ` Paul Hartman
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From: Grant @ 2009-07-06 14:12 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: Gentoo mailing list

I need to optimize web browsing for a slow cell phone data connection.
 I'd like to browse faster and use less data ($).  I've installed
ImgLikeOpera for Firefox which is great at selectively blocking
images, and I'm wondering if there's anything else I can do?

- Grant



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* Re: [gentoo-user] Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing?
  2009-07-06 14:12 [gentoo-user] Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing? Grant
@ 2009-07-06 14:38 ` Paul Hartman
  2009-07-07  8:22   ` Grant
  2009-07-06 14:50 ` [gentoo-user]Optimizations " Sebastian Beßler
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From: Paul Hartman @ 2009-07-06 14:38 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Grant<emailgrant@gmail.com> wrote:
> I need to optimize web browsing for a slow cell phone data connection.
>  I'd like to browse faster and use less data ($).  I've installed
> ImgLikeOpera for Firefox which is great at selectively blocking
> images, and I'm wondering if there's anything else I can do?

NoScript and AdblockPlus, for sure... You'll also probably want to
disable all backroung update checks in Firefox so it doesn't secretly
check for and/or download new extensions and themes.

Your ISP (mobile phone carrier in this case) may have a web proxy that
compresses html and images to make them smaller.

Another trick is to use the Google xhtml search to get reformatted
"mobile" versions of web pages which will be very lightweight:
http://www.google.com/xhtml

Good luck!



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* Re: [gentoo-user]Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing?
  2009-07-06 14:12 [gentoo-user] Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing? Grant
  2009-07-06 14:38 ` Paul Hartman
@ 2009-07-06 14:50 ` Sebastian Beßler
  2009-07-06 14:55   ` Brahim LARCHET
  2009-07-06 15:28   ` Dale
  2009-07-06 16:06 ` [gentoo-user] Optimizations " Jens Herrmann
                   ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  4 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Sebastian Beßler @ 2009-07-06 14:50 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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Grant schrieb:
> I need to optimize web browsing for a slow cell phone data connection.
>  I'd like to browse faster and use less data ($).  I've installed
> ImgLikeOpera for Firefox which is great at selectively blocking
> images, and I'm wondering if there's anything else I can do?
> 
> - Grant
> 
You could safe data with Adblock+ and Flashblock as extensions in
Firefox, as both of them block mostly unneeded stuff. If you need
selected flash-applets activating and loading it is only a mouseclick.

A big browsercache could help to both for faster browsing and less data.
But this only if you work much with the same sites.






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* Re: [gentoo-user]Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing?
  2009-07-06 14:50 ` [gentoo-user]Optimizations " Sebastian Beßler
@ 2009-07-06 14:55   ` Brahim LARCHET
  2009-07-06 15:28   ` Dale
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Brahim LARCHET @ 2009-07-06 14:55 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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"adblock plus element hiding helper" could help too if you work much with
the same sites.
https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/firefox/addon/4364


2009/7/6 Sebastian Beßler <webmaster@darkmetatron.de>

> Grant schrieb:
> > I need to optimize web browsing for a slow cell phone data connection.
> >  I'd like to browse faster and use less data ($).  I've installed
> > ImgLikeOpera for Firefox which is great at selectively blocking
> > images, and I'm wondering if there's anything else I can do?
> >
> > - Grant
> >
> You could safe data with Adblock+ and Flashblock as extensions in
> Firefox, as both of them block mostly unneeded stuff. If you need
> selected flash-applets activating and loading it is only a mouseclick.
>
> A big browsercache could help to both for faster browsing and less data.
> But this only if you work much with the same sites.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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* Re: [gentoo-user]Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing?
  2009-07-06 14:50 ` [gentoo-user]Optimizations " Sebastian Beßler
  2009-07-06 14:55   ` Brahim LARCHET
@ 2009-07-06 15:28   ` Dale
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Dale @ 2009-07-06 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Sebastian Beßler wrote:
> Grant schrieb:
>   
>> I need to optimize web browsing for a slow cell phone data connection.
>>  I'd like to browse faster and use less data ($).  I've installed
>> ImgLikeOpera for Firefox which is great at selectively blocking
>> images, and I'm wondering if there's anything else I can do?
>>
>> - Grant
>>
>>     
> You could safe data with Adblock+ and Flashblock as extensions in
> Firefox, as both of them block mostly unneeded stuff. If you need
> selected flash-applets activating and loading it is only a mouseclick.
>
> A big browsercache could help to both for faster browsing and less data.
> But this only if you work much with the same sites.
>
>
>
>
>
>   

I have noticed that Seamonkey, not sure about Firefox, clears cache each
time you restart the program.  I'm not sure when this started and I have
found no way to tell it not to either.

Adblock and friends do help a lot tho.  I do agree with that for sure.

Dale

:-)  :-)



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* Re: [gentoo-user] Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing?
  2009-07-06 14:12 [gentoo-user] Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing? Grant
  2009-07-06 14:38 ` Paul Hartman
  2009-07-06 14:50 ` [gentoo-user]Optimizations " Sebastian Beßler
@ 2009-07-06 16:06 ` Jens Herrmann
  2009-07-06 16:21 ` Tapio Raevaara
  2009-07-07 10:05 ` [gentoo-user] " Grant
  4 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Jens Herrmann @ 2009-07-06 16:06 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Grant schrieb:
> I need to optimize web browsing for a slow cell phone data connection.
>  I'd like to browse faster and use less data ($).  I've installed
> ImgLikeOpera for Firefox which is great at selectively blocking
> images, and I'm wondering if there's anything else I can do?
If bandwidth is really an issue, this might be of interest for you:
http://operawatch.com/news/2009/02/opera-turbo-brings-bandwidth-compression-technology-to-desktop-browsing.html

Jens




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* Re: [gentoo-user] Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing?
  2009-07-06 14:12 [gentoo-user] Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing? Grant
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2009-07-06 16:06 ` [gentoo-user] Optimizations " Jens Herrmann
@ 2009-07-06 16:21 ` Tapio Raevaara
  2009-07-07  9:28   ` Grant
  2009-07-07 10:05 ` [gentoo-user] " Grant
  4 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Tapio Raevaara @ 2009-07-06 16:21 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On Monday 06 July 2009, Grant wrote:
> I need to optimize web browsing for a slow cell phone data connection.
>  I'd like to browse faster and use less data ($).  I've installed
> ImgLikeOpera for Firefox which is great at selectively blocking
> images, and I'm wondering if there's anything else I can do?
>

You should try Opera Turbo (Opera 10 beta). It uses server-side compression to 
do exactly what you're asking: browse faster and use less data ($).

http://labs.opera.com/news/2009/03/13/
http://www.opera.com/browser/next/




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* Re: [gentoo-user] Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing?
  2009-07-06 14:38 ` Paul Hartman
@ 2009-07-07  8:22   ` Grant
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Grant @ 2009-07-07  8:22 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

>> I need to optimize web browsing for a slow cell phone data connection.
>>  I'd like to browse faster and use less data ($).  I've installed
>> ImgLikeOpera for Firefox which is great at selectively blocking
>> images, and I'm wondering if there's anything else I can do?
>
> NoScript and AdblockPlus, for sure... You'll also probably want to
> disable all backroung update checks in Firefox so it doesn't secretly
> check for and/or download new extensions and themes.
>
> Your ISP (mobile phone carrier in this case) may have a web proxy that
> compresses html and images to make them smaller.
>
> Another trick is to use the Google xhtml search to get reformatted
> "mobile" versions of web pages which will be very lightweight:
> http://www.google.com/xhtml
>
> Good luck!

Thanks everyone.  I've got Adblock Plus running now and I'm
downloading Opera 10 although it is hard masked.  Crossing my fingers.

I'm curious about http://www.google.com/xhtml which is said to give
mobile versions of web pages.  It seems to link to full versions.
Does it just link to mobile versions if they are available from the
page's author?

- Grant



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* Re: [gentoo-user] Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing?
  2009-07-06 16:21 ` Tapio Raevaara
@ 2009-07-07  9:28   ` Grant
  2009-07-12  9:33     ` Mick
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Grant @ 2009-07-07  9:28 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

>> I need to optimize web browsing for a slow cell phone data connection.
>>  I'd like to browse faster and use less data ($).  I've installed
>> ImgLikeOpera for Firefox which is great at selectively blocking
>> images, and I'm wondering if there's anything else I can do?
>>
>
> You should try Opera Turbo (Opera 10 beta). It uses server-side compression
> to
> do exactly what you're asking: browse faster and use less data ($).
>
> http://labs.opera.com/news/2009/03/13/
> http://www.opera.com/browser/next/

I think I like Firefox+ImgLikeOpera+AdblockPlus better than Opera
Turbo.  Speed seems about the same and I don't think there's an ad
blocker for Opera that's as good as Adblock Plus.

I wonder how much bandwidth I'm wasting by passing on Opera's code
compression.  I'm only displaying cached images so the image
compression isn't helping.

Anyone else tried Opera Turbo?

- Grant



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* [gentoo-user] Re: Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing?
  2009-07-06 14:12 [gentoo-user] Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing? Grant
                   ` (3 preceding siblings ...)
  2009-07-06 16:21 ` Tapio Raevaara
@ 2009-07-07 10:05 ` Grant
  2009-07-07 13:19   ` [gentoo-user] Re: Optimizations for low-bandwidth IMAP? Stroller
  2009-09-08  0:00   ` [gentoo-user] Re: Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing? Grant
  4 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Grant @ 2009-07-07 10:05 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: Gentoo mailing list

> I need to optimize web browsing for a slow cell phone data connection.
>  I'd like to browse faster and use less data ($).  I've installed
> ImgLikeOpera for Firefox which is great at selectively blocking
> images, and I'm wondering if there's anything else I can do?
>
> - Grant

Can anyone offer advice for IMAP?  I'm using Thunderbird and it's slow
and data-heavy.

- Grant



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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optimizations for low-bandwidth IMAP?
  2009-07-07 10:05 ` [gentoo-user] " Grant
@ 2009-07-07 13:19   ` Stroller
  2009-07-07 15:20     ` Grant
  2009-09-08  0:00   ` [gentoo-user] Re: Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing? Grant
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Stroller @ 2009-07-07 13:19 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user


On 7 Jul 2009, at 11:05, Grant wrote:

>> I need to optimize web browsing for a slow cell phone data  
>> connection.
>> I'd like to browse faster and use less data ($).  I've installed
>> ImgLikeOpera for Firefox which is great at selectively blocking
>> images, and I'm wondering if there's anything else I can do?
>>
>> - Grant
>
> Can anyone offer advice for IMAP?  I'm using Thunderbird and it's slow
> and data-heavy.

I believe that the nature of IMAP is to be fairly network intensive.

When I use my laptop for mail, it usually takes some time to sync  
messages that have appeared in the last couple of days since I last  
did so (on my laptop). Typically contents of the inbox appear within a  
minute or two, but I would guess that clicking on any of my mailing  
list folders may cause a delay of several minutes.

It's not the raw number of minutes that's the problem, but how the  
mail client just tends to feel sluggish unless you leave it alone for  
a few minutes to sync up with the IMAP server. One _knows_ there are  
new messages there, one knows that there should be messages in the  
gentoo-users folder newer than 4 days old, but they don't appear when  
you click on it.

In my case I'm always on broadband when I use my laptop away from  
home, my mailserver is at my house, and the bandwidth bottleneck is  
the upstream of my home ADSL line at 288k. I would dread to think what  
it would be like at dial-up speeds (i.e. slow cell phone data  
connection), although to be fair my mobile does ok syncing inboxes  
only. The solution with that, too, is to leave the phone alone,  
downloading for some minutes, and then come back to it when it's  
finished.

I use Mail.app on a Mac as my mail client, but I can't imagine  
Thunderbird to be much worse.

Stroller.




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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optimizations for low-bandwidth IMAP?
  2009-07-07 13:19   ` [gentoo-user] Re: Optimizations for low-bandwidth IMAP? Stroller
@ 2009-07-07 15:20     ` Grant
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Grant @ 2009-07-07 15:20 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

>>> I need to optimize web browsing for a slow cell phone data
>>> connection.
>>> I'd like to browse faster and use less data ($).  I've installed
>>> ImgLikeOpera for Firefox which is great at selectively blocking
>>> images, and I'm wondering if there's anything else I can do?
>>>
>>> - Grant
>>
>> Can anyone offer advice for IMAP?  I'm using Thunderbird and it's slow
>> and data-heavy.
>
> I believe that the nature of IMAP is to be fairly network intensive.
>
> When I use my laptop for mail, it usually takes some time to sync
> messages that have appeared in the last couple of days since I last
> did so (on my laptop). Typically contents of the inbox appear within a
> minute or two, but I would guess that clicking on any of my mailing
> list folders may cause a delay of several minutes.
>
> It's not the raw number of minutes that's the problem, but how the
> mail client just tends to feel sluggish unless you leave it alone for
> a few minutes to sync up with the IMAP server. One _knows_ there are
> new messages there, one knows that there should be messages in the
> gentoo-users folder newer than 4 days old, but they don't appear when
> you click on it.
>
> In my case I'm always on broadband when I use my laptop away from
> home, my mailserver is at my house, and the bandwidth bottleneck is
> the upstream of my home ADSL line at 288k. I would dread to think what
> it would be like at dial-up speeds (i.e. slow cell phone data
> connection), although to be fair my mobile does ok syncing inboxes
> only. The solution with that, too, is to leave the phone alone,
> downloading for some minutes, and then come back to it when it's
> finished.
>
> I use Mail.app on a Mac as my mail client, but I can't imagine
> Thunderbird to be much worse.
>
> Stroller.

OK, no compression options or anything?

By the way, if anyone finds themself in Tanzania and in need of a
prepaid cell data line, I found the ultimate:

http://www.vodacom.co.tz/docs/docredir.asp?docid=3530

Good speed too.  Tigo is almost as cheap but incredibly slow.
Zain/Celtel is as fast, but at nearly 5 times the price of the 250MB
Vodacom bundle.  The only option I didn't try was Zanzibar Telecom.

- Grant



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* Re: [gentoo-user] Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing?
  2009-07-07  9:28   ` Grant
@ 2009-07-12  9:33     ` Mick
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2009-07-12  9:33 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

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On Tuesday 07 July 2009, Grant wrote:
> >> I need to optimize web browsing for a slow cell phone data connection.
> >>  I'd like to browse faster and use less data ($).  I've installed
> >> ImgLikeOpera for Firefox which is great at selectively blocking
> >> images, and I'm wondering if there's anything else I can do?
> >
> > You should try Opera Turbo (Opera 10 beta). It uses server-side
> > compression to
> > do exactly what you're asking: browse faster and use less data ($).
> >
> > http://labs.opera.com/news/2009/03/13/
> > http://www.opera.com/browser/next/
>
> I think I like Firefox+ImgLikeOpera+AdblockPlus better than Opera
> Turbo.  Speed seems about the same and I don't think there's an ad
> blocker for Opera that's as good as Adblock Plus.
>
> I wonder how much bandwidth I'm wasting by passing on Opera's code
> compression.  I'm only displaying cached images so the image
> compression isn't helping.
>
> Anyone else tried Opera Turbo?

I thought of trying it, but the issue of privacy (well, what's left of it) is 
important for me.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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* [gentoo-user] Re: Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing?
  2009-07-07 10:05 ` [gentoo-user] " Grant
  2009-07-07 13:19   ` [gentoo-user] Re: Optimizations for low-bandwidth IMAP? Stroller
@ 2009-09-08  0:00   ` Grant
  2009-09-08  2:41     ` Stroller
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Grant @ 2009-09-08  0:00 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: Gentoo mailing list

>> I need to optimize web browsing for a slow cell phone data connection.
>>  I'd like to browse faster and use less data ($).  I've installed
>> ImgLikeOpera for Firefox which is great at selectively blocking
>> images, and I'm wondering if there's anything else I can do?
>>
>> - Grant
>
> Can anyone offer advice for IMAP?  I'm using Thunderbird and it's slow
> and data-heavy.
>
> - Grant

Has anyone tried trojita (in portage)?

http://trojita.flaska.net/

It says:

"Support for bandwidth-saving mode aimed at mobile users with
expensive connection"

- Grant



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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing?
  2009-09-08  0:00   ` [gentoo-user] Re: Optimizations for low-bandwidth web browsing? Grant
@ 2009-09-08  2:41     ` Stroller
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Stroller @ 2009-09-08  2:41 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user


On 8 Sep 2009, at 01:00, Grant wrote:
> ...
> Has anyone tried trojita (in portage)?

Someone here must be trying it!

The official screenshot shows messages from this list:
http://trojita.flaska.net/screenshots.html

Stroller.




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