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From: Steve Long <slong@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-dev]  Re: Re: Watch out for license changes to GPL-3.
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:56:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f76bf9$v0m$1@sea.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20070712184347.GA23203@kroah.com

Greg KH wrote:
>> > So, what is the problem here?  The kernel is not going to change
>> > licenses any time soon, so I don't understand your objections.
>> > 
>> I think the point is that people who oppose this kind of thing (yes,
>> including me) would rather _our_ contributions were under GPLv3. Yet at
>> the moment, we effectively have no choice.
> 
> That is _totally_ different than the case which was specifically brought
> up about the whole "tivo" issue and the Linux kernel.
> 
> Ebuilds are different, I have no opinion on that (but I do know that the
> DRM issues mean nothing for them, that only pertains to the kernel).
> 
OK, but what about a corporation selling Gentoo-based tivo boxes? Updates
are carried out as, say, binary images, and they continue to use all the
flexibility of Gentoo (built by its users, and devs who are also users)
while curtailing Gentoo users' rights.

I understand the argument that eg GCC is a paintbox, and the FSF don't want
copyright over your paintings, but do want improvements to the toolset to
be shared by all. I /had/ thought "3. Protecting Users' Legal Rights From
Anti-Circumvention Law" meant that GCC could not be used to build such a
system:
"No covered work shall be deemed part of an effective technological measure
under any applicable law fulfilling obligations under article 11 of the
WIPO copyright treaty adopted on 20 December 1996, or similar laws"
Hmm got that wrong I guess, my bad. (I guess you can tell I ain't a
lawyer ;-))

I still don't like it :-) I also wonder how the above applies to BASH, which
is usually such a critical element of a GNU/Linux system.. I guess that's
what other shells, under less protective licenses, will be used for tho.

(http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html for users who don't have the url.)


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  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-12 23:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-07 18:21 [gentoo-dev] app-arch/cpio-2.9 is now GPLv3 David
2007-07-07 18:35 ` [gentoo-dev] Watch out for license changes to GPL-3 Petteri Räty
2007-07-07 21:26   ` David
2007-07-08 10:28   ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-08 11:04   ` [gentoo-dev] " Marijn Schouten (hkBst)
2007-07-08 11:50     ` Wulf C. Krueger
2007-07-08 13:06       ` Seemant Kulleen
2007-07-08 14:46         ` Dominique Michel
2007-07-08 14:51           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-08 18:15             ` Harald van Dijk
2007-07-08 18:52               ` Wulf C. Krueger
2007-07-08 19:12                 ` Harald van Dijk
2007-07-08 19:43                   ` Wulf C. Krueger
2007-07-08 20:17                     ` Harald van Dijk
2007-07-08 17:48           ` Seemant Kulleen
2007-07-08 18:15             ` Richard Freeman
2007-07-09  0:04               ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2007-07-09  9:31                 ` Steve Long
2007-07-09 15:13                   ` Duncan
2007-07-09 16:27                   ` Jeroen Roovers
2007-07-09 16:43                     ` Petteri Räty
2007-07-09 19:37                 ` Dominique Michel
2007-07-10  9:30                   ` Duncan
     [not found]           ` <20070709163914.GB16617@kroah.com>
2007-07-09 19:07             ` [gentoo-dev] " Dominique Michel
2007-07-09 21:24               ` Greg KH
2007-07-10 17:10                 ` Dominique Michel
2007-07-10 18:11                   ` Greg KH
2007-07-10 20:37                     ` Kevin Lacquement
2007-07-10 20:49                       ` Greg KH
2007-07-12  9:18                         ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-12 18:24                           ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-12 18:31                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-12 19:00                               ` Mike Frysinger
2007-07-12 19:07                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-12 19:14                                   ` Seemant Kulleen
2007-07-12 19:27                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-12 19:48                                     ` Wulf C. Krueger
2007-07-12 20:02                                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-12 19:58                                     ` Chris Gianelloni
2007-07-12 20:12                                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-12 20:17                                         ` Petteri Räty
2007-07-12 20:46                                           ` Harald van Dijk
2007-07-13  2:56                                     ` Jeroen Roovers
2007-07-12 20:10                                   ` Mike Frysinger
2007-07-12 20:16                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-12 21:06                                       ` Mike Frysinger
2007-07-12 21:11                                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2007-07-12 21:32                                           ` Mike Frysinger
2007-07-13  2:53                                           ` Jeroen Roovers
2007-07-13  3:26                                             ` Mike Frysinger
2007-07-13  3:55                                             ` Marius Mauch
2007-07-13  4:20                                               ` Jeroen Roovers
2007-07-13  5:16                                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2007-07-14  2:26                                               ` [gentoo-dev] " Steve Long
2007-07-12 22:33                             ` Steve Long
2007-07-12 18:43                           ` [gentoo-dev] " Greg KH
2007-07-12 22:56                             ` Steve Long [this message]
2007-07-12 23:49                               ` [gentoo-dev] " Greg KH

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