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* [gentoo-dev] www-apps/mambo dispute
@ 2004-09-17 17:58 Stuart Herbert
  2004-09-17 18:58 ` Dejan Nikic
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From: Stuart Herbert @ 2004-09-17 17:58 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

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Anyone want to comment on this?

 http://www.literatigroup.com/versusmambo/

I'm open to suggestions about what action (if any) the web-apps herd should 
take.

Best regards,
Stu
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] www-apps/mambo dispute
  2004-09-17 17:58 [gentoo-dev] www-apps/mambo dispute Stuart Herbert
@ 2004-09-17 18:58 ` Dejan Nikic
  2004-09-17 19:19 ` Paul Waring
  2004-09-17 20:06 ` Corey Shields
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Dejan Nikic @ 2004-09-17 18:58 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

> I'm open to suggestions about what action (if any) the web-apps herd should
> take.


How about masking it? or puting up a disclaimer stating the same as shown on 

http://www.literatigroup.com/versusmambo/

It seems that the second solution would be much better, since it would
free Gentoo of any sort of legal actions, I'm no legal expert somebody
back me up, and let the user know what's going on.  It's like having
enviromental organizations sue gas pump owners instead of the big oil
companies :).  Gentoo is just a gas pump that lets you fill in the
gas, it's up to you to choose if you want to do it or not.

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* Re: [gentoo-dev] www-apps/mambo dispute
  2004-09-17 17:58 [gentoo-dev] www-apps/mambo dispute Stuart Herbert
  2004-09-17 18:58 ` Dejan Nikic
@ 2004-09-17 19:19 ` Paul Waring
  2004-09-17 19:30   ` Mike Doty
  2004-09-17 20:06 ` Corey Shields
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Paul Waring @ 2004-09-17 19:19 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: stuart; +Cc: gentoo-dev

> I'm open to suggestions about what action (if any) the web-apps herd should
> take.

I suppose you could put a disclaimer in, along the lines of the Sun
Java license (i.e. some text and then "are you sure you agree to this:
Y/N"). It sounds awfully like another SCO to me, and I don't see how
they can really go after the users (especially those of us in the UK).
Better to be safe than sorry though for the present and then see how
it fans out over the next couple of weeks.

I don't think it should be removed from portage altogether though,
just because a company claims that some of the code is theirs
(otherwise we'd have to remove the Linux kernel as well).

Paul

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* Re: [gentoo-dev] www-apps/mambo dispute
  2004-09-17 19:19 ` Paul Waring
@ 2004-09-17 19:30   ` Mike Doty
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Mike Doty @ 2004-09-17 19:30 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 19:19:56 +0000, Paul Waring <pwaring@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm open to suggestions about what action (if any) the web-apps herd should
> > take.
> 
> I suppose you could put a disclaimer in, along the lines of the Sun
> Java license (i.e. some text and then "are you sure you agree to this:
> Y/N"). It sounds awfully like another SCO to me, and I don't see how
> they can really go after the users (especially those of us in the UK).
> Better to be safe than sorry though for the present and then see how
> it fans out over the next couple of weeks.
> 
> I don't think it should be removed from portage altogether though,
> just because a company claims that some of the code is theirs
> (otherwise we'd have to remove the Linux kernel as well).
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 

Heh, this ass-clown has his "offices" down the street from me.  In
fact, I think I used to deliver pizzas to that address in college.

Getting to the point, I'd think something like the Sun Java SDK (where
you have to explicitly download it, and put it into
/usr/portage/distfiles), in addition to adding a warning in the ebuild
is more than enough.  Let's face it, if people want the software, they
will install it, portage or otherwise.  We arn't responsible for their
actions.

Mike Doty

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* Re: [gentoo-dev] www-apps/mambo dispute
  2004-09-17 17:58 [gentoo-dev] www-apps/mambo dispute Stuart Herbert
  2004-09-17 18:58 ` Dejan Nikic
  2004-09-17 19:19 ` Paul Waring
@ 2004-09-17 20:06 ` Corey Shields
  2004-09-17 20:31   ` Allen Parker
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Corey Shields @ 2004-09-17 20:06 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

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On Friday 17 September 2004 12:58 pm, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> Anyone want to comment on this?
>
>  http://www.literatigroup.com/versusmambo/
>
> I'm open to suggestions about what action (if any) the web-apps herd should
> take.

I'd say no action at all...   SCO has been threatening the same thing with 
regards to the Linux kernel code, yet we do not have a disclaimer on it or a 
Sun JDK style "grab it yourself" block.

If they start slinging successful lawsuits, then that becomes a different 
story.  But for now, I have to assume that he has made a website and 
fabricated a legal threat.  I would give equal weight to the argument that 
the Mambo team makes on their behalf[1].  So, until something actually 
happens, I don't think we should do anything.  Just my $.02

Cheers,

-C

[1] - 
http://mamboserver.com/The_News/News/Statement_regarding_Furthermore.com/

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Corey Shields
Gentoo Linux Infrastructure Team and Devrel Team
Gentoo Foundation Board of Trustees
http://www.gentoo.org/~cshields

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* Re: [gentoo-dev] www-apps/mambo dispute
  2004-09-17 20:06 ` Corey Shields
@ 2004-09-17 20:31   ` Allen Parker
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Allen Parker @ 2004-09-17 20:31 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:06:42 -0500, Corey Shields <cshields@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Friday 17 September 2004 12:58 pm, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> > Anyone want to comment on this?
> >
> >  http://www.literatigroup.com/versusmambo/
> >
> > I'm open to suggestions about what action (if any) the web-apps herd should
> > take.
> 
>... SCO has been threatening the same thing with

I vote no action. Scare tactics have been tried before. Didn't IETF
just shoot down a msft proposal that would give them IP leverage? I'd
consider this the bluff of an enterprising little person that should
be thrown in jail for perjury.

"7. Robert Castley, Mambo Project Manager, 8/17/04 shifts
responsibility for the matter to users of Mambo OS. He said, "Mambo
can not be party to any disputes between individuals or companies
concerning the use of Mambo.""

translation: someone pissed in my wheaties and i'm going to sue the
world to get a new box. It seems like they're threatening mambo users
without any proof/grounds. When the first lawsuit flies and gets shot
down, I'll laugh. Mambo is GPL. If these guys honestly had any claim
to any code/idea/whatever they should have done something about it at
the time instead of a year later.

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