From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1ElO0d-0004Ch-3f for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:00:48 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jBBA0baP002867; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:00:37 GMT Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.206]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBBA0Z8M024063 for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:00:36 GMT Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x3so1222233nzd for ; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 02:00:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=SjMDUd/5/qUdr2XkgBgIac1zLPBsigzw1DIZX3tJGWsKnzXNbTW3lwcjFcxTbUUzshyz0PFhX0aXdhwHyFEhf2sZXgbVkPjCa9pDTtPI9lnhqMPiQ3B9sF1XQZW9FqrgT4hEufnzoSkwA6j+NUsliGx4IMGwQ+yyOX4CHJB/rCk= Received: by 10.36.5.19 with SMTP id 19mr5050822nze; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 02:00:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.36.153.4 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 02:00:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 10:00:35 +0000 From: Chris Case To: www-redesign@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [www-redesign] a couple of comments In-Reply-To: <008301c5fe2d$08ad84a0$6402a8c0@vega> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: www-redesign@gentoo.org Reply-to: www-redesign@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1801_5136392.1134295235442" References: <20051210203926.GE5349@dst.grantgoodyear.org> <008301c5fe2d$08ad84a0$6402a8c0@vega> X-Archives-Salt: b955aa0f-656a-4a0a-81fb-dfc617e76a89 X-Archives-Hash: 807c8cfe12d3546a7da46cf12d64fb71 ------=_Part_1801_5136392.1134295235442 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Might I make a suggestion of limiting the news items on the front page to two or three? It would help to clean up the front page a bit. Other than that, it's quite a nice site. On 12/11/05, Aaron Shi wrote: > > Wow, took a quick peek and everything looks much nicer. > > A couple of things (here it goes): > > --1-- > > When I saw the e-mail icon next to the print icon, my first > > thought was that it was a "send-a-link" button, since that's > > pretty common on news sites. Having it represent a mailto: > > link instead might be potentially confusing. Anybody else think that? > > It is misleading and counter intuitive. The original reference was for > "send-a-link," but to do that it requires javascript and hence that's > probably why it was changed to a static mailto: link. > > --2-- > > There are a few other minor changes as well. Link colors have > > been made more consistant: purple on white for content areas > > and white on purple in the menu bar. All links turn green on > > :hover. These color combinations pass the color-blind test, > > look really good and are consistant. > > The green was intended for on the dark purple background on the top bar o= r > bolded text headings. It is not intended for unbold non-heading text on > white background or on light purple background (especially hard to see, > e.g. > hover ad links on the ad bar). Also, the ad images have dotted underline= s > under them, they shouldn't. > > --3-- > > The top level menu (main, planet, forums, etc...) had an > > issue. The green arrow designates which site you are on. If > > you are on planet.gentoo.org then PLANET would be first in > > line with the green arrow. I spaced the first word out more > > to make it more obvious. The link colors were changed to > > white with green hover to be consistant with the site-wide > > color scheme and also to pass the color blind test. > > Hmm...we shouldn't changed the menu order on the users. It creates > confusion and slows down the workflow because they'd have to double-check > the position of the links before clicking due to them changing. How > about, > current site =3D white link, other sites =3D dimmer (i.e. light purple). = Also > the green arrow doesn't vertically align with the text as in the > reference, > not sure why merely changing colors would also change the > positioning. The > font looks a tad different, maybe that's why. > > --4-- > > I like this version much better. It's all coming together, and > > I give my thumbs up for a release of this as soon as the minor > > bugs are worked out. (Not like it matters, but as an average gentoo > > user, I applaud you, and everyone else!) > > > Yes, let's see this before X-Mas 2005! It would be a nice X-mas > > present to the community! > > I'd strong advise against releasing an unpolished product and patching up > known-bugs later (i.e. pull a Microsoft). Since this is a major event, > there will undoubtly be additional coverage and it would not look good if > we > launched it at sub par quality (Gentoo critics would totally capitalize o= n > it). > > --5-- > > Chapters are the green and a larger font size and sections > > are dark purple and a little smaller. It looks good at the > > moment and (more or > > less) matches the reference design. > > Looks good, my only concern with this and the other color changes is wher= e > the colors came from. Are they part of the color scheme? The dark purpl= e > sub headings, while the text is of higher contrast (is it necessary?), it > over shadows the green heading (even though the green heading is larger), > this is because the apparent brightness is inconsistent. The purple in > the > reference looks more balanced. The headings (green, purple, and doc > heading > at top in the light purple box) could be a little bigger as our default > text > is bigger. > > --6-- > On the front page, there's a light purple space below between the content > area and the footer bar. To the right of the line where it says "#103610 > - > yaboot-static claims incorrectly that /proc/device-tree broken is in the > 2.6.12 kernel series", the ad bar is shifted by 1 pixel to the right (thi= s > is barely noticeable but very odd). > > --7-- > The front page looks over crowded, I think this is mostly a spacing issue > (or lack of). Giving the purple bar headings a padding and putting more > space between each news item may help a little temporarily. The "More > News" > link needs to be more prominent, right now it just looks like part of the > last news item. > > --etc.-- > The table borders might look better in a purple (right now it appears > black > or very dark gray). > > The XML buttons have dotted underlines, within a sentence it looks okay, > but > on its own it looks strange (the underline sticks right to the bottom of > it, > essentially same problem as ad images). This is probably a line height > issue. > > The ad column's purple doesn't quite match the light gray portion on the > footer which connects to it. The purple looks nice too, I can probably > change the footer graphic later to match the purple. > > > > Overall good work Curtis, this is coming together nicely! The progress ha= s > been huge in the last couple of weeks. > > > Aaron > > -- > www-redesign@gentoo.org mailing list > > -- Christopher S. Case SUNY Fredonia Computer Science / Computer Engineering macguyvok@gmail.com (716) 785 - 5553(Cellphone) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "To err is human. To forgive, divine. To fix mistakes, now that's an Engineer." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------=_Part_1801_5136392.1134295235442 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Might I make a suggestion of limiting the news items on the front page to t= wo or three? It would help to clean up the front page a bit. Other than tha= t, it's quite a nice site.

On 12/11= /05,=20 Aaron Shi <aaron@aaronshi.com> wrote:
Wow, took a quick peek and everything looks much nicer.

A couple of = things (here it goes):

--1--
> When I saw the e-mail icon next= to the print icon, my first
> thought was that it was a "send-a= -link" button, since that's
> pretty common on news sites.  Having it represent a mail= to:
> link instead might be potentially confusing.  Anybody= else think that?

It is misleading and counter intuitive.  = ;The original reference was for
"send-a-link," but to do that it requires javascript and henc= e that's
probably why it was changed to a static mailto: link.

--= 2--
> There are a few other minor changes as well. Link colors have
> been made more consistant: purple on white for content areas
&g= t; and white on purple in the menu bar. All links turn green on
> :ho= ver. These color combinations pass the color-blind test,
> look reall= y good and are consistant.

The green was intended for on the dark purple background on the top= bar or
bolded text headings.  It is not intended for unbold n= on-heading text on
white background or on light purple background (espec= ially hard to see,=20 e.g.
hover ad links on the ad bar).  Also, the ad images have = dotted underlines
under them, they shouldn't.

--3--
> The t= op level menu (main, planet, forums, etc...) had an
> issue. The gree= n arrow designates which site you are on. If
> you are on planet.gentoo.org<= /a> then PLANET would be first in
> line with the green arrow. I spac= ed the first word out more
> to make it more obvious. The link colors= were changed to
> white with green hover to be consistant with the site-wide
>= color scheme and also to pass the color blind test.

Hmm...we should= n't changed the menu order on the users.  It creates
confusion= and slows down the workflow because they'd have to double-check
the position of the links before clicking due to them changing. &n= bsp;How about,
current site =3D white link, other sites =3D dimmer (i.e.= light purple).  Also
the green arrow doesn't vertically align= with the text as in the reference,
not sure why merely changing colors would also change the positioning.&= nbsp; The
font looks a tad different, maybe that's why.

--4-= -
> I like this version much better. It's all coming together, and> I give my thumbs up for a release of this as soon as the minor
> bugs are worked out. (Not like it matters, but as an average gento= o
> user, I applaud you, and everyone else!)

> Yes, let's s= ee this before X-Mas 2005! It would be a nice X-mas
> present to the = community!

I'd strong advise against releasing an unpolished product and patch= ing up
known-bugs later (i.e. pull a Microsoft).  Since this i= s a major event,
there will undoubtly be additional coverage and it woul= d not look good if we
launched it at sub par quality (Gentoo critics would totally capitalize= on
it).

--5--
> Chapters are the green and a larger font s= ize and sections
> are dark purple and a little smaller. It looks goo= d at the
> moment and (more or
> less) matches the reference design.
Looks good, my only concern with this and the other color changes is w= here
the colors came from.  Are they part of the color scheme?=   The dark purple
sub headings, while the text is of higher contrast (is it necessary?), = it
over shadows the green heading (even though the green heading is larg= er),
this is because the apparent brightness is inconsistent.  = ;The purple in the
reference looks more balanced.  The headings (green, purple, = and doc heading
at top in the light purple box) could be a little bigger= as our default text
is bigger.

--6--
On the front page, there= 's a light purple space below between the content
area and the footer bar.  To the right of the line where it s= ays "#103610 -
yaboot-static claims incorrectly that /proc/device-t= ree broken is in the
2.6.12 kernel series", the ad bar is shifted b= y 1 pixel to the right (this
is barely noticeable but very odd).

--7--
The front page look= s over crowded, I think this is mostly a spacing issue
(or lack of).&nbs= p; Giving the purple bar headings a padding and putting more
space = between each news item may help a little temporarily.  The "= More News"
link needs to be more prominent, right now it just looks like part of t= he
last news item.

--etc.--
The table borders might look bette= r in a purple (right now it appears black
or very dark gray).

The XML buttons have dotted underlines, within a sentence it looks okay, bu= t
on its own it looks strange (the underline sticks right to the bottom = of it,
essentially same problem as ad images).  This is probab= ly a line height
issue.

The ad column's purple doesn't quite match the light gray= portion on the
footer which connects to it.  The purple looks= nice too, I can probably
change the footer graphic later to match the p= urple.



Overall good work Curtis, this is coming together nicely! T= he progress has
been huge in the last couple of weeks.


Aaron<= br>
--
www-redesign@gentoo= .org mailing list




-- Christopher S. Case
SUNY Fredonia
Computer Science / Computer Engin= eering
macguyvok@gmail.com (716) 785 - 5553(Cellphone)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"To= err is human. To forgive, divine.
To fix mistakes, now that's an Engine= er."
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