[gentoo-user] gnome 3 ??

[gentoo-user] gnome 3 ??

[Allan Gottlieb]

Since I don't teach again until sept, this seems like a good time to try
gnome 3.  Before I do, I wonder how others have fared.

This is gnome 3 vs gnome 2 (not kde).

thanks,
allan

PS my system is ~amd64.

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 3 ??

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@nyu.edu> wrote:
> Since I don't teach again until sept, this seems like a good time to try
> gnome 3.  Before I do, I wonder how others have fared.
>
> This is gnome 3 vs gnome 2 (not kde).
>
> thanks,
> allan
>
> PS my system is ~amd64.

I actually like it a lot. However, a lot of things are not
customizable, and several other things behave completely different
from GNOME 2. I've been using it since the last month or so, and I
think I'm already used to the new UI. I believe it's a little faster
than GNOME 2, and it definitely get less in the way to actually do
work.

Just my opinion. Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 3 ??

[Allan Gottlieb]

On Thu, May 26 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:

> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@nyu.edu> wrote:
>> Since I don't teach again until sept, this seems like a good time to try
>> gnome 3.  Before I do, I wonder how others have fared.
>>
>> thanks,
>> allan
>>
>> PS my system is ~amd64.
>
> I actually like it a lot. However, a lot of things are not
> customizable, and several other things behave completely different
> from GNOME 2. I've been using it since the last month or so, and I
> think I'm already used to the new UI. I believe it's a little faster
> than GNOME 2, and it definitely get less in the way to actually do
> work.

Thank you.  Some forum posts suggest that upgrading to gnome3 from
gnome2 is difficult.  Did you

1.  Upgrade from 2.32.1
2.  Unmerge 2.32.1 then merge 3
3.  Do a fresh install of gentoo w/o gnome and then install gnome3
4.  Do something else

thanks again,
allan

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 3 ??

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@nyu.edu> wrote:
> On Thu, May 26 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
>
>> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@nyu.edu> wrote:
>>> Since I don't teach again until sept, this seems like a good time to try
>>> gnome 3.  Before I do, I wonder how others have fared.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> allan
>>>
>>> PS my system is ~amd64.
>>
>> I actually like it a lot. However, a lot of things are not
>> customizable, and several other things behave completely different
>> from GNOME 2. I've been using it since the last month or so, and I
>> think I'm already used to the new UI. I believe it's a little faster
>> than GNOME 2, and it definitely get less in the way to actually do
>> work.
>
> Thank you.  Some forum posts suggest that upgrading to gnome3 from
> gnome2 is difficult.  Did you
>
> 1.  Upgrade from 2.32.1
> 2.  Unmerge 2.32.1 then merge 3
> 3.  Do a fresh install of gentoo w/o gnome and then install gnome3
> 4.  Do something else

All of the above? :D

I keyworded and unmasked the necessary packages to make
=gnome-base/gnome-3.0.0 emergable; then I upgraded like usual. There
were some problems, but usually solvable by emerge -C the offending
package (and older version, generally). I removed (after backup)
~/.gconf, ~/.gnome2* ~/.metacity ~/.nautilus and ~/.evolution (I
*think* this was not really necessary, by I wanted to see a "pristine"
GNOME 3). At the end, I emerge --depclean, and then after a couple of
emerge -uDNvp world everything went to normal. I haven't had  any
problem since then.

Oh, at some point I emerge @preserved-rebuild and then again emerge --depclean.

It took a couple of days of try/error, and be warned that you should
do this fom a VT, not from X (unless you do it under twm or something
like that).

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 3 ??

[Allan Gottlieb]

On Thu, May 26 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:

> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@nyu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you.  Some forum posts suggest that upgrading to gnome3 from
>> gnome2 is difficult.  Did you
>>
>> 1.  Upgrade from 2.32.1
>> 2.  Unmerge 2.32.1 then merge 3
>> 3.  Do a fresh install of gentoo w/o gnome and then install gnome3
>> 4.  Do something else
>
> All of the above? :D
>
> I keyworded and unmasked the necessary packages to make
> =gnome-base/gnome-3.0.0 emergable; then I upgraded like usual. There
> were some problems, but usually solvable by emerge -C the offending
> package (and older version, generally). I removed (after backup)
> ~/.gconf, ~/.gnome2* ~/.metacity ~/.nautilus and ~/.evolution (I
> *think* this was not really necessary, by I wanted to see a "pristine"
> GNOME 3). At the end, I emerge --depclean, and then after a couple of
> emerge -uDNvp world everything went to normal. I haven't had  any
> problem since then.
>
> Oh, at some point I emerge @preserved-rebuild and then again emerge
> --depclean.
>
> It took a couple of days of try/error, and be warned that you should
> do this fom a VT, not from X (unless you do it under twm or something
> like that).

Sounds like I should do it on my spare laptop first.
thanks again.
allan

[gentoo-user] Re: gnome 3 ??

[walt]

On 05/26/2011 07:04 PM, Allan Gottlieb wrote:
> On Thu, May 26 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@nyu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you.  Some forum posts suggest that upgrading to gnome3 from
>>> gnome2 is difficult.  Did you
>>>
>>> 1.  Upgrade from 2.32.1
>>> 2.  Unmerge 2.32.1 then merge 3
>>> 3.  Do a fresh install of gentoo w/o gnome and then install gnome3
>>> 4.  Do something else
>>
>> All of the above? :D
>>
>> I keyworded and unmasked the necessary packages to make
>> =gnome-base/gnome-3.0.0 emergable; then I upgraded like usual. There
>> were some problems, but usually solvable by emerge -C the offending
>> package (and older version, generally). I removed (after backup)
>> ~/.gconf, ~/.gnome2* ~/.metacity ~/.nautilus and ~/.evolution (I
>> *think* this was not really necessary, by I wanted to see a "pristine"
>> GNOME 3). At the end, I emerge --depclean, and then after a couple of
>> emerge -uDNvp world everything went to normal. I haven't had  any
>> problem since then.
>>
>> Oh, at some point I emerge @preserved-rebuild and then again emerge
>> --depclean.
>>
>> It took a couple of days of try/error, and be warned that you should
>> do this fom a VT, not from X (unless you do it under twm or something
>> like that).
> 
> Sounds like I should do it on my spare laptop first.
> thanks again.

Have you considered doing all of this experimenting on a virtual machine?

VirtualBox is so easy to use now, I will definitely try gnome3 on a VM
before "upgrading" on this machine, which is the one I use for real work.

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 3 ??

[Allan Gottlieb]

On Thu, May 26 2011, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:

> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@nyu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you.  Some forum posts suggest that upgrading to gnome3 from
>> gnome2 is difficult.  Did you
>>
>> 1.  Upgrade from 2.32.1
>> 2.  Unmerge 2.32.1 then merge 3
>> 3.  Do a fresh install of gentoo w/o gnome and then install gnome3
>> 4.  Do something else
>
> All of the above? :D
>
> I keyworded and unmasked the necessary packages to make
> =gnome-base/gnome-3.0.0 emergable; then I upgraded like usual. There
> were some problems, but usually solvable by emerge -C the offending
> package (and older version, generally). I removed (after backup)
> ~/.gconf, ~/.gnome2* ~/.metacity ~/.nautilus and ~/.evolution (I
> *think* this was not really necessary, by I wanted to see a "pristine"
> GNOME 3). At the end, I emerge --depclean, and then after a couple of
> emerge -uDNvp world everything went to normal. I haven't had  any
> problem since then.
>
> Oh, at some point I emerge @preserved-rebuild and then again emerge
> --depclean.
>
> It took a couple of days of try/error, and be warned that you should
> do this fom a VT, not from X (unless you do it under twm or something
> like that).

Thanks again for sharing your experiences.
allan

Re: [gentoo-user] gnome 3 ??

[Bill Kenworthy]

On Thu, 2011-05-26 at 12:14 -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote:
> Since I don't teach again until sept, this seems like a good time to try
> gnome 3.  Before I do, I wonder how others have fared.
> 
> This is gnome 3 vs gnome 2 (not kde).
> 
> thanks,
> allan
> 
> PS my system is ~amd64.
> 

I am in the same situation - a month or so to sort out any problems so
its time to make the leap now.

I have used gnome for the last 10 years and its often t'd me off so much
I have almost, but not quite made the jump to KDE (I did install KDE on
all my desktops though :)

Some of my colleagues are using "unity" on ubuntu and that looks nice
and suits my workflow more than the current gnome, and far more than
gnome3.

Is it possible to install/use unity on gentoo?

BillK