[gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

[gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

[Allan Gottlieb]

In /etc/portage/package.use I have

    # Need these or for some games
    gnome-extra/gnome-games         clutter opengl

But when I try to emerge gnome-games, I don't get clutter

   [ebuild   R   ] gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.30.2-r1  USE="guile opengl -artworkextra (-clutter) -test" 0 kB

I know that the (-clutter) means that the clutter flag has been removed,
but I can't see why it is removed.  Indeed the ebuild specifically warns
me that disabling clutter means certain games are not built.

thanks,
allan

Re: [gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Wednesday 01 June 2011 14:25:50 Allan Gottlieb wrote:
> In /etc/portage/package.use I have
> 
>     # Need these or for some games
>     gnome-extra/gnome-games         clutter opengl
> 
> But when I try to emerge gnome-games, I don't get clutter
> 
>    [ebuild   R   ] gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.30.2-r1  USE="guile opengl
> -artworkextra (-clutter) -test" 0 kB
> 
> I know that the (-clutter) means that the clutter flag has been removed,
> but I can't see why it is removed.  Indeed the ebuild specifically warns
> me that disabling clutter means certain games are not built.
> 
> thanks,
> allan

have you looked at the ebuild? There is probably no clutter option and it is 
always forced on.

Would be fitting with the gnome mindset: choices are bad. Options are bad. 

Re: [gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

[Allan Gottlieb]

On Wed, Jun 01 2011, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:

> On Wednesday 01 June 2011 14:25:50 Allan Gottlieb wrote:
>> In /etc/portage/package.use I have
>> 
>>     # Need these or for some games
>>     gnome-extra/gnome-games         clutter opengl
>> 
>> But when I try to emerge gnome-games, I don't get clutter
>> 
>>    [ebuild   R   ] gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.30.2-r1  USE="guile opengl
>> -artworkextra (-clutter) -test" 0 kB
>> 
>> I know that the (-clutter) means that the clutter flag has been removed,
>> but I can't see why it is removed.  Indeed the ebuild specifically warns
>> me that disabling clutter means certain games are not built.
>> 
>> thanks,
>> allan
>
> have you looked at the ebuild? There is probably no clutter option and it is 
> always forced on.

Yes I have and yes it is "on by default" (i.e. IUSE has +clutter).  But
why has it been removed, i.e, why (-clutter) in the emerge output?

Note that (-clutter) appears whether or not I have clutter in
package.use.

thanks,
allan

Re: [gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

[Paul Hartman]

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@nyu.edu> wrote:
> In /etc/portage/package.use I have
>
>    # Need these or for some games
>    gnome-extra/gnome-games         clutter opengl
>
> But when I try to emerge gnome-games, I don't get clutter
>
>   [ebuild   R   ] gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.30.2-r1  USE="guile opengl -artworkextra (-clutter) -test" 0 kB
>
> I know that the (-clutter) means that the clutter flag has been removed,
> but I can't see why it is removed.  Indeed the ebuild specifically warns
> me that disabling clutter means certain games are not built.

It is masked by profile. Look in
/usr/portage/profile/base/package.use.mask you can see:

# Nirbheek Chauhan <nirbheek@gentoo.org> (29 Jun 2010)
# Mask clutter till introspection is unmasked
=gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.3* clutter

Re: [gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

[Allan Gottlieb]

On Wed, Jun 01 2011, Paul Hartman wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@nyu.edu> wrote:
>> In /etc/portage/package.use I have
>>
>>    # Need these or for some games
>>    gnome-extra/gnome-games         clutter opengl
>>
>> But when I try to emerge gnome-games, I don't get clutter
>>
>>   [ebuild   R   ] gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.30.2-r1  USE="guile opengl -artworkextra (-clutter) -test" 0 kB
>>
>> I know that the (-clutter) means that the clutter flag has been removed,
>> but I can't see why it is removed.  Indeed the ebuild specifically warns
>> me that disabling clutter means certain games are not built.
>
> It is masked by profile. Look in
> /usr/portage/profile/base/package.use.mask you can see:
>
> # Nirbheek Chauhan <nirbheek@gentoo.org> (29 Jun 2010)
> # Mask clutter till introspection is unmasked
> =gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.3* clutter

Thank you.  The real reason for this is not to have more gnome-games
available but to try out gnome3.

allan

Re: [gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

[Sebastian Beßler]

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Am 01.06.2011 20:25, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:

> I know that the (-clutter) means that the clutter flag has been removed,

The flag is not removed as in "is not there anymore" but it is masked
because using it makes, at a high percentage, problems of some kind
.
You could unmask that flag if you want to, but then you are alone on
high sea as it is absolutly unsupported.

Greetings
Sebastian


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Re: [gentoo-user] meaning of (-clutter) in an emerge USE list

[Allan Gottlieb]

On Wed, Jun 01 2011, Sebastian Beßler wrote:

> Am 01.06.2011 20:25, schrieb Allan Gottlieb:
>
>> I know that the (-clutter) means that the clutter flag has been removed,
>
> The flag is not removed as in "is not there anymore" but it is masked
> because using it makes, at a high percentage, problems of some kind
> .
> You could unmask that flag if you want to, but then you are alone on
> high sea as it is absolutly unsupported.

Right.  This is the layman gnome3 overlay.  I am using an "extra"
laptop for this.

Thanks for the warning and information.
allan