From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EeIGr-00003f-Un for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:28:14 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jALKPat1027554; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:25:36 GMT Received: from smtp.cs.nyu.edu (SMTP.CS.NYU.EDU [128.122.140.230]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jALKFqoJ011218 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:15:52 GMT Received: from localhost.localdomain (ool-4355e59d.dyn.optonline.net [67.85.229.157]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.cs.nyu.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jALKFmsl014486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:15:49 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1502) id 0137C543DB; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:15:43 -0500 (EST) To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: default stage3 References: <8aaf1ee00511210433s6d23e8a6l6d95c9c2f2ed8b7d@mail.gmail.com> <200511211413.14160.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> From: Allan Gottlieb Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:15:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200511211413.14160.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> (Volker Armin Hemmann's message of "Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:13:14 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Archives-Salt: 860ccb9c-89b7-42c4-83d5-e5709b60162c X-Archives-Hash: f000f96c2783f1e015fa397319e64053 At Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:13:14 +0100 "Hemmann, Volker Armin" wrote: > On Monday 21 November 2005 13:33, Steve B wrote: >> WTF.. I'm getting ready to rebuild my gentoo box. I have always did a stage >> 1 install. i was under the impression that if u used a stage 3 u couldn't >> muck with your CFLAGS or what not. We have a lot in common in this regard. I also always had done stage1 installs. I also misremembered that CFLAGS couldn't be changed if using stage3. I also posted this mis-remembrance to the present list. As was very politely explained to me: 1. It was CHOST, not CFLAGS. 2. You can (at least now, not sure about previously) actually change CHOST, but must run a utility afterward. 3. If you fiddle with USE flags, /etc/package.* files, etc, you can get the effect of a customized stage1 install by recompiling everything twice. I suspect simply emerge -e world; emerge -e world 3A. Only a few items really need to be compiled the first time. 3B. There are scripts in the forums to do this "automatically". Thus, I conclude that, unless you are changing bootstrap.sh (which I never did), you really can get the effect of a stage1 starting with stage3. I would not use the term "faster" to describe the stage3 equivalent of stage1, especially if you are lazy and do the double emerge -e world. Instead, I would say that there are two advantages to the user 1. You can use your machine for reading/sending mail, browsing the web, etc while all the compilation is proceeding. So the machine is usable sooner, even if the procedure is not faster. 2. You avoid the chance to make the kind of error I did in changed USE flags too aggressively, *too early* in the process. Perhaps more important is that there is one big advantage to the developers and seasoned gentoo experts on this list. 1. Fewer installation errors due to faulty understanding of a stage1 process results in fewer requests for help, requests that likely to the expert seem to all be essentially the same, and do not lead to improvement of the stage1 process. A converted supported of stage3 --> stage1-equivalent installs, allan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list