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From: Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : alternatives
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 21:18:03 -0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <vp2teb$99t$1@ciao.gmane.io> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Z7TbKz3SlKCeLRul@ca.inter.net

On 2025-02-18, Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:
> 250218 Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
>> I recommend an external USB case with an NVMe SSD inside.
>> This may not be as compact and not as cheap,
>> but they are much much much faster and probably longer-lasting
>> than any USB stick, because their flash controllers are more sophisticated
>> and the parts of higher fidelity.  A not-too-cheap NVMe will do fine,
>> as long as it’s TLC, not QLC flash.
>
> Can you explain this -- TLC/QLC -- in more detail ?

Tri-Level Cells,  Quad-Level Cells.

SLC (single-level cells)

Each "cell" consists of a capacitor (constructed as a FET with an
isolated-gate).  In the old days, the capacitor was either chared or
not: two levels.  One bit per cell.  Easy to make and reliable.  If
you want more bits, layout more cells. That means larger dies, which
means more money.

MLC (two-level cells)

OK, let's also do four different charge levels!  You get _two_ bits
per cell with the same area of silicon.  Harder to do and not quite as
reliable, so we'll add a few extra blocks of cells and make software
deal with blocks that don't work.

TLC (tri-level cells)

Hey, what if we do 8 different charge levels! Now you get 4 bits per
cell.  Even harder to do, even less reliable...


QLC (quad-level cells)

[I think you see where this is going]




  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-18 21:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-15  7:41 [gentoo-user] problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick Philip Webb
2025-02-15 11:50 ` [gentoo-user] " Nuno Silva
2025-02-15 13:31   ` Michael
2025-02-16  2:37     ` Philip Webb
2025-02-16  9:08       ` Nuno Silva
2025-02-16 13:41         ` Michael
2025-02-16 14:48           ` Wols Lists
2025-02-17 23:12           ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-18 11:53             ` Michael
2025-02-19 12:10               ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-20  9:58                 ` Michael
2025-02-16 22:57       ` [gentoo-user] problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : more info Philip Webb
2025-02-17  0:17         ` [gentoo-user] " Nuno Silva
2025-02-17  0:39         ` [gentoo-user] " Michael
2025-02-17  3:43           ` Philip Webb
2025-02-17  9:18             ` Philip Webb
2025-02-17 12:02               ` Michael
2025-02-17 16:33                 ` Stroller
2025-02-17 16:19             ` Wols Lists
2025-02-17 17:16             ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
2025-02-17 18:12               ` Michael
2025-02-18  3:46                 ` [gentoo-user] Re: problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : f3 Philip Webb
2025-02-18  4:43                   ` Grant Edwards
2025-02-18  5:53                     ` Philip Webb
2025-02-18  9:13                       ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-18 19:10                         ` [gentoo-user] Re: problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : alternatives Philip Webb
2025-02-18 21:18                           ` Grant Edwards [this message]
2025-02-18 23:25                             ` Michael
2025-02-19 12:16                               ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-19 12:20                           ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-20 10:47                             ` Michael
2025-02-18 14:40                       ` [gentoo-user] Re: problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : f3 Grant Edwards
2025-02-18 17:00                         ` Grant Edwards
2025-02-18 11:57                   ` Michael
2025-02-18 18:54                     ` [gentoo-user] Re: problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : glances at gparted Philip Webb
2025-02-18 23:13                       ` Michael
2025-02-19  0:47                         ` Grant Edwards
2025-02-19  1:12                           ` [gentoo-user] alternatives to USB sticks for reliable archiving Philip Webb
2025-02-19  2:28                             ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
2025-02-19  9:48                             ` [gentoo-user] " Michael
2025-02-19  3:00                         ` [gentoo-user] Re: problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick : glances at gparted eric
2025-02-20 18:18                         ` Dale
2025-02-20 22:40                           ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-20 23:43                             ` Grant Edwards
2025-02-21  8:10                               ` Dale
2025-03-08 22:09                             ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-03-08 22:48                               ` Dale
2025-03-09 10:31                                 ` Michael
2025-03-10  3:32                                   ` Dale
2025-03-10 13:01                                     ` Frank Steinmetzger
2025-02-17 16:38 ` [gentoo-user] problem formatting new 256 GB USB stick Stroller
2025-02-17 23:06   ` Frank Steinmetzger

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