* [gentoo-user] external (NFTS) USB 2TB stick error mount.
@ 2021-11-01 21:41 thelma
2021-11-01 21:50 ` Michael
2021-11-01 22:47 ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
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From: thelma @ 2021-11-01 21:41 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Gentoo mailing list
I format external nvme SSD (M.2) drive as NTFS on Windows (to store some pictures etc.)
But when I insert the drive on Linux box (it has support for NTFS enabled) I get an error:
sda: sda1 sda2
sd 4:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
ntfs: (device sda2): parse_options(): Unrecognized mount option windows_names.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] external (NFTS) USB 2TB stick error mount.
2021-11-01 21:41 [gentoo-user] external (NFTS) USB 2TB stick error mount thelma
@ 2021-11-01 21:50 ` Michael
2021-11-01 21:57 ` thelma
2021-11-01 22:47 ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
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From: Michael @ 2021-11-01 21:50 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Monday, 1 November 2021 21:41:24 GMT thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> I format external nvme SSD (M.2) drive as NTFS on Windows (to store some
> pictures etc.) But when I insert the drive on Linux box (it has support for
> NTFS enabled) I get an error:
>
> sda: sda1 sda2
> sd 4:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
Stop right there.
You need NVME Support enabled in your kernel.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] external (NFTS) USB 2TB stick error mount.
2021-11-01 21:50 ` Michael
@ 2021-11-01 21:57 ` thelma
2021-11-01 21:58 ` Michael
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From: thelma @ 2021-11-01 21:57 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 11/1/21 3:50 PM, Michael wrote:
> On Monday, 1 November 2021 21:41:24 GMT thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
>> I format external nvme SSD (M.2) drive as NTFS on Windows (to store some
>> pictures etc.) But when I insert the drive on Linux box (it has support for
>> NTFS enabled) I get an error:
>>
>> sda: sda1 sda2
>> sd 4:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
>
> Stop right there.
>
> You need NVME Support enabled in your kernel.
>
I DO have NVME support enabled. My main drive is "nvme"
But I think I need package:
sys-fs/ntfs3g
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* Re: [gentoo-user] external (NFTS) USB 2TB stick error mount.
2021-11-01 21:57 ` thelma
@ 2021-11-01 21:58 ` Michael
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From: Michael @ 2021-11-01 21:58 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Monday, 1 November 2021 21:57:04 GMT thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> On 11/1/21 3:50 PM, Michael wrote:
> > On Monday, 1 November 2021 21:41:24 GMT thelma@sys-concept.com wrote:
> >> I format external nvme SSD (M.2) drive as NTFS on Windows (to store some
> >> pictures etc.) But when I insert the drive on Linux box (it has support
> >> for
> >>
> >> NTFS enabled) I get an error:
> >> sda: sda1 sda2
> >> sd 4:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk
> >
> > Stop right there.
> >
> > You need NVME Support enabled in your kernel.
>
> I DO have NVME support enabled. My main drive is "nvme"
>
> But I think I need package:
> sys-fs/ntfs3g
Yes, I thought you had this installed. You'll need it to be able to read and
write to NTFS.
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* [gentoo-user] Re: external (NFTS) USB 2TB stick error mount.
2021-11-01 21:41 [gentoo-user] external (NFTS) USB 2TB stick error mount thelma
2021-11-01 21:50 ` Michael
@ 2021-11-01 22:47 ` Grant Edwards
2021-11-01 22:59 ` thelma
1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Grant Edwards @ 2021-11-01 22:47 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 2021-11-01, thelma@sys-concept.com <thelma@sys-concept.com> wrote:
> I format external nvme SSD (M.2) drive as NTFS on Windows (to store
> some pictures etc.) But when I insert the drive on Linux box (it
> has support for NTFS enabled) I get an error:
Please define what you mean by "it has support for NTFS enabled".
Are you running a v5.15 kernel with the new in-tree NTFS driver?
Are you using the ntfs3g FUSE driver?
Are you using the old, read-only NTFS in-tree driver?
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: external (NFTS) USB 2TB stick error mount.
2021-11-01 22:47 ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
@ 2021-11-01 22:59 ` thelma
2021-11-01 23:09 ` Grant Edwards
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From: thelma @ 2021-11-01 22:59 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 11/1/21 4:47 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2021-11-01, thelma@sys-concept.com <thelma@sys-concept.com> wrote:
>
>> I format external nvme SSD (M.2) drive as NTFS on Windows (to store
>> some pictures etc.) But when I insert the drive on Linux box (it
>> has support for NTFS enabled) I get an error:
>
> Please define what you mean by "it has support for NTFS enabled".
>
> Are you running a v5.15 kernel with the new in-tree NTFS driver?
>
> Are you using the ntfs3g FUSE driver?
>
> Are you using the old, read-only NTFS in-tree driver?
I'm using kernel: 5.4.72-gentoo
Under: File systems:
DOS/FAT/NT Filesystems:
<*> MSDOS fs support
- <*> VFAT (Windows-95) fs support
- <*> NTFS file system support
- [*] NTFS write support
After installing sys-fs/ntfs3g
It keeps telling I don't have:
CONFIG_FUSE_FS: is not set when it should be.
I think I need to enable:
< > FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) support
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* [gentoo-user] Re: external (NFTS) USB 2TB stick error mount.
2021-11-01 22:59 ` thelma
@ 2021-11-01 23:09 ` Grant Edwards
2021-11-02 8:57 ` Michael
2021-11-04 22:38 ` Laurence Perkins
0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Grant Edwards @ 2021-11-01 23:09 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 2021-11-01, thelma@sys-concept.com <thelma@sys-concept.com> wrote:
> On 11/1/21 4:47 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2021-11-01, thelma@sys-concept.com <thelma@sys-concept.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I format external nvme SSD (M.2) drive as NTFS on Windows (to store
>>> some pictures etc.) But when I insert the drive on Linux box (it
>>> has support for NTFS enabled) I get an error:
>>
>> Please define what you mean by "it has support for NTFS enabled".
>>
>> Are you running a v5.15 kernel with the new in-tree NTFS driver?
>>
>> Are you using the ntfs3g FUSE driver?
>>
>> Are you using the old, read-only NTFS in-tree driver?
>
> I'm using kernel: 5.4.72-gentoo
>
> Under: File systems:
> DOS/FAT/NT Filesystems:
> <*> MSDOS fs support
> - <*> VFAT (Windows-95) fs support
> - <*> NTFS file system support
> - [*] NTFS write support
> After installing sys-fs/ntfs3g
> It keeps telling I don't have:
> CONFIG_FUSE_FS: is not set when it should be.
OK, that's what is referred to as the old read-only in-tree driver. It
has had experimental write support for a long time, but people still
call it "the read-only driver". Most people "in the know" seem to
advise that the write support should not be used, and many advise not
using that driver it at all. The ntfs-3g FUSE driver is usually
recommended instead.
> I think I need to enable:
>< > FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) support
You need that if you want to use the ntfs-3g FUSE driver.
IIRC, the ntfs-3g driver supports a number features that the old
in-tree read-only driver (which you are using) does not. The
"windows_name" option appears to be one of those.
If you want to use the windows_name option, you'll probably have to
disable the in-tree driver and use the ntfs-3g one. It might be
possible to use ntfs-3g without disabling the in-tree driver, but that
sounds like a good way to get confused...
--
Grant
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: external (NFTS) USB 2TB stick error mount.
2021-11-01 23:09 ` Grant Edwards
@ 2021-11-02 8:57 ` Michael
2021-11-04 22:38 ` Laurence Perkins
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From: Michael @ 2021-11-02 8:57 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Monday, 1 November 2021 23:09:36 GMT Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2021-11-01, thelma@sys-concept.com <thelma@sys-concept.com> wrote:
> > On 11/1/21 4:47 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:
> >> On 2021-11-01, thelma@sys-concept.com <thelma@sys-concept.com> wrote:
> >>> I format external nvme SSD (M.2) drive as NTFS on Windows (to store
> >>> some pictures etc.) But when I insert the drive on Linux box (it
> >>
> >>> has support for NTFS enabled) I get an error:
> >> Please define what you mean by "it has support for NTFS enabled".
> >>
> >> Are you running a v5.15 kernel with the new in-tree NTFS driver?
> >>
> >> Are you using the ntfs3g FUSE driver?
> >>
> >> Are you using the old, read-only NTFS in-tree driver?
> >
> > I'm using kernel: 5.4.72-gentoo
> >
> > Under: File systems:
> > DOS/FAT/NT Filesystems:
> > <*> MSDOS fs support
> >
> > - <*> VFAT (Windows-95) fs support
> > - <*> NTFS file system support
> > - [*] NTFS write support
> >
> > After installing sys-fs/ntfs3g
> >
> > It keeps telling I don't have:
> > CONFIG_FUSE_FS: is not set when it should be.
>
> OK, that's what is referred to as the old read-only in-tree driver. It
> has had experimental write support for a long time, but people still
> call it "the read-only driver". Most people "in the know" seem to
> advise that the write support should not be used, and many advise not
> using that driver it at all. The ntfs-3g FUSE driver is usually
> recommended instead.
Best to disable the in-kernel write support. There was a warning it could
corrupt a fs, unless you were overwriting an existing file with another file
of exactly the same size.
> > I think I need to enable:
> >< > FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) support
>
> You need that if you want to use the ntfs-3g FUSE driver.
Yes.
> IIRC, the ntfs-3g driver supports a number features that the old
> in-tree read-only driver (which you are using) does not. The
> "windows_name" option appears to be one of those.
>
> If you want to use the windows_name option, you'll probably have to
> disable the in-tree driver and use the ntfs-3g one. It might be
> possible to use ntfs-3g without disabling the in-tree driver, but that
> sounds like a good way to get confused...
>
> --
> Grant
Have a look here, which explains what is needed for ntfs-3g:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/NTFS
PS. I recall a case where a corrupted NTFS, I think it was on Win2000, could
be read by the in-kernel driver. Neither the native MSWindows OS could read
it, nor the ntfs-3g.
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* RE: [gentoo-user] Re: external (NFTS) USB 2TB stick error mount.
2021-11-01 23:09 ` Grant Edwards
2021-11-02 8:57 ` Michael
@ 2021-11-04 22:38 ` Laurence Perkins
2021-11-04 22:53 ` Grant Edwards
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From: Laurence Perkins @ 2021-11-04 22:38 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 4:10 PM
>> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
>> Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: external (NFTS) USB 2TB stick error mount.
>>
>> On 2021-11-01, thelma@sys-concept.com <thelma@sys-concept.com> wrote:
>> > On 11/1/21 4:47 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> >> On 2021-11-01, thelma@sys-concept.com <thelma@sys-concept.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I format external nvme SSD (M.2) drive as NTFS on Windows (to store
>> >>> some pictures etc.) But when I insert the drive on Linux box (it
>> >>> has support for NTFS enabled) I get an error:
>> >>
>> >> Please define what you mean by "it has support for NTFS enabled".
>> >>
>> >> Are you running a v5.15 kernel with the new in-tree NTFS driver?
>> >>
>> >> Are you using the ntfs3g FUSE driver?
>> >>
>> >> Are you using the old, read-only NTFS in-tree driver?
>> >
>> > I'm using kernel: 5.4.72-gentoo
>> >
>> > Under: File systems:
>> > DOS/FAT/NT Filesystems:
>> > <*> MSDOS fs support
>> > - <*> VFAT (Windows-95) fs support
>> > - <*> NTFS file system support
>> > - [*] NTFS write support
>> > After installing sys-fs/ntfs3g
>> > It keeps telling I don't have:
>> > CONFIG_FUSE_FS: is not set when it should be.
>>
>> OK, that's what is referred to as the old read-only in-tree driver. It has had experimental write support for a long time, but people still call it "the read-only driver". Most people "in the know" seem to advise that the write support should not be used, and many advise not using that driver it at all. The ntfs-3g FUSE driver is usually recommended instead.
>>
Because it is read-only for all practical purposes. Unless there's been a recent improvement its write support technically works, but it can only change the contents of existing files and cannot create new ones. Works fine for a read-only driver, but not much point to using it unless you're an insane nutjob like me who occasionally needs to boot from NTFS and so needs a driver that can be compiled in.
LMP
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* [gentoo-user] Re: external (NFTS) USB 2TB stick error mount.
2021-11-04 22:38 ` Laurence Perkins
@ 2021-11-04 22:53 ` Grant Edwards
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From: Grant Edwards @ 2021-11-04 22:53 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 2021-11-04, Laurence Perkins <lperkins@openeye.net> wrote:
>
> Because it is read-only for all practical purposes. Unless there's
> been a recent improvement its write support technically works, but
> it can only change the contents of existing files and cannot create
> new ones. Works fine for a read-only driver, but not much point to
> using it unless you're an insane nutjob like me who occasionally
> needs to boot from NTFS and so needs a driver that can be compiled
> in.
You've piqued my curiosity -- how do you end up needing to boot from NTFS?
[It never occurred to me that would even be possible.]
--
Grant
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