From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7308E138D0E for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:32:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B167D1413E; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:31:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B976A14121 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:31:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDaH8-0006Xh-2p for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:31:42 +0200 Received: from lounge.imp.fu-berlin.de ([160.45.42.83]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:31:42 +0200 Received: from martin by lounge.imp.fu-berlin.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:31:42 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Martin Vaeth Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Anyone else having a problem with bash? Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:31:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20150706100117.0d993a04@a6> <559E5D43.2070800@gmail.com> <20150709124824.10f75958@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <559e62cc.a673980a.c356c.657e@mx.google.com> <20150709170743.4d4ef6be@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <20150710093538.5cf8328f@digimed.co.uk> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lounge.imp.fu-berlin.de User-Agent: slrn/pre1.0.0-26 (Linux) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Archives-Salt: 3a9d1c48-275a-4211-bd34-5ee33592401d X-Archives-Hash: 566fff40d9e9ff312f7899297858151b Neil Bothwick wrote: > > In one sub-thread we've so far managed to cover: > > Bash vs Zsh > Vim vs Emacs > Perl vs Python not to forget: POSIX vs Bash > What are your thoughts on KDE, kernel modules or USE=3D"-*"? ;-) Substitute "kernel modules" by Gnome (incl. systemd, policykit) and add topics concerning pms and package managers, and I think that the list of flamewar candidates concerning Gentoo Linux is complete. So it is not unusual to have them in one thread, is it? However, I did not hesitate to repeat the pro-Zsh arguments (although I have probably posted them several times here) because - as already mentioned in this thread - many people simply are not even aware what they are missing due to lack of information. Indeed, I would have saved a lot of time if I would have known the advantages of zsh earlier, and I do not want that other suffer from the same problem... My experience was similar to the one mentioned in this thread: With the default configuration zsh appeared disappointing at a first glance, so I had ignored it for years, since bash was installed and usually in the machine's memory anyway; only after many years and knowing how much more productive I could have been with zsh, I started to regret this decision.