[gentoo-user] gentoo handbook

[gentoo-user] gentoo handbook

[Jude DaShiell]

I found this out by means of documentation in the handbook pointing at it
but not being explicit about it.
# eselect profile show
during a new install is what you run to find what distribution your
distribution iso uses.
Also you will do best to select a matching profile for first time
installation.
The handbook danced around that second point.

Probably the cause for me running into so much difficulty converting from
openrc to systemd is there is no path for systems using systemd unless
they're using uefi and going multi-user also, I tried doing the conversion
during installation and not as a post-install job.
If such is the case, perhaps systemd article ought to be categorized as a
post-install option for those with uefi either running or able to run on
their equipment.
More later as I figure it out.



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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo handbook

[antlists]

On 14/11/2020 18:48, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> Probably the cause for me running into so much difficulty converting from
> openrc to systemd is there is no path for systems using systemd unless
> they're using uefi and going multi-user also, I tried doing the conversion
> during installation and not as a post-install job.

I certainly hope not!

My system is BIOS at the moment, I have no desire to mess things up by 
switching to UEFI, and I will be well upset if it doesn't work with systemd.

Oh - and my host system I'm using to set up gentoo is openSUSE 15.1, 
which is systemd, and happily boots with bios/grub.

Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo handbook

[Rich Freeman]

On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 2:46 PM antlists <antlists@youngman.org.uk> wrote:
>
> On 14/11/2020 18:48, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > Probably the cause for me running into so much difficulty converting from
> > openrc to systemd is there is no path for systems using systemd unless
> > they're using uefi and going multi-user also, I tried doing the conversion
> > during installation and not as a post-install job.
>
> My system is BIOS at the moment, I have no desire to mess things up by
> switching to UEFI, and I will be well upset if it doesn't work with systemd.
>

All of my Gentoo hosts currently run systemd and none use UEFI, so
this configuration should work fine.  I'm not sure what indicated
otherwise.

From my experience assuming your kernel config is compatible all you
really need to do in order to switch to systemd is use the systemd
profile, run updates, install systemd if it hasn't already happened,
and configure your bootloader to use systemd as init.  Oh, and
regenerate your initramfs if you want it to use systemd.

I'd have to check my notes, but that is roughly it.  Obviously you'll
need to configure your networking/services/etc once you have it all
running.

-- 
Rich

[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo handbook

[Grant Edwards]

On 2020-11-14, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> wrote:
> # eselect profile show

> during a new install is what you run to find what distribution your
> distribution iso uses.
>
> Also you will do best to select a matching profile for first time
> installation.

I don't understand what you mean above.  What is a "distribution ISO"?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo handbook

[Jude DaShiell]

On Sat, 14 Nov 2020, Grant Edwards wrote:

> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 17:30:51
> From: Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo handbook
>
> On 2020-11-14, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> wrote:
> > # eselect profile show
>
> > during a new install is what you run to find what distribution your
> > distribution iso uses.
> >
> > Also you will do best to select a matching profile for first time
> > installation.
>
> I don't understand what you mean above.  What is a "distribution ISO"?
In your case it probably starts with install-minimal and you got it off
the gentoo downloads page.

>
>

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[gentoo-user] Re: gentoo handbook

[Grant Edwards]

On 2020-11-14, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Nov 2020, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 17:30:51
>> From: Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
>> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
>> Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo handbook
>>
>> On 2020-11-14, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> wrote:
>> > # eselect profile show
>>
>>> during a new install is what you run to find what distribution
>>> your distribution iso uses.
>>>
>>> Also you will do best to select a matching profile for first time
>>> installation.
>>
>> I don't understand what you mean above.  What is a "distribution
>> ISO"?

> In your case it probably starts with install-minimal and you got it
> off the gentoo downloads page.

I've installed Gentoo using variety of distros: systemrescuecd,
Ubuntu, install-minimal, etc.  I never noticed that it mattered what
init system was in use during the install.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo handbook

[Michael]

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On Saturday, 14 November 2020 18:48:57 GMT Jude DaShiell wrote:
> On 2020-11-14, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 14 Nov 2020, Grant Edwards wrote:
> >> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 17:30:51
> >> From: Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com>
> >> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> >> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> >> Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo handbook
> >> 
> >> On 2020-11-14, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> wrote:
> >> > # eselect profile show
> >>> 
> >>> during a new install is what you run to find what distribution
> >>> your distribution iso uses.
> >>> 
> >>> Also you will do best to select a matching profile for first time
> >>> installation.
> >> 
> >> I don't understand what you mean above.  What is a "distribution
> >> ISO"?
> > 
> > In your case it probably starts with install-minimal and you got it
> > off the gentoo downloads page.
> 
> I've installed Gentoo using variety of distros: systemrescuecd,
> Ubuntu, install-minimal, etc.  I never noticed that it mattered what
> init system was in use during the install.

Same here.  I even used to cook my own systemrescuecd to include some wireless 
and video firmwares to suit different MoBos.  Booting and installing in UEFI 
Vs Legacy BIOS boils down to selecting any Linux LiveISO suitable for UEFI 
booting and in the MoBo's UEFI GUI menu setting the boot mode to EFI or Legacy 
BIOS.

During installation you should download the appropriate stage3 tarball[1] to 
correspond to the desired Gentoo profile[2].  Choosing a profile after you 
chroot is part of the installation steps.  If you decide to switch profile 
later on it is usually easy (except for no-multilib), but be prepared for some 
reconfiguring of your compile options and rebuilding of your @world set.

[1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/
Stage#Choosing_a_stage_tarball

[2] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/
Base#Choosing_the_right_profile

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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo handbook

[Jude DaShiell]

Totally blind people without technical support equipped with working
eyes do not have and never will have useable access to any mo bo menu.

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020, Michael wrote:
That is my situation for the rest of this life.

> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 07:45:17
> From: Michael <confabulate@kintzios.com>
> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo handbook
>
> On Saturday, 14 November 2020 18:48:57 GMT Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > On 2020-11-14, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> wrote:
> > > On Sat, 14 Nov 2020, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > >> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 17:30:51
> > >> From: Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com>
> > >> Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > >> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > >> Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: gentoo handbook
> > >>
> > >> On 2020-11-14, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> wrote:
> > >> > # eselect profile show
> > >>>
> > >>> during a new install is what you run to find what distribution
> > >>> your distribution iso uses.
> > >>>
> > >>> Also you will do best to select a matching profile for first time
> > >>> installation.
> > >>
> > >> I don't understand what you mean above.  What is a "distribution
> > >> ISO"?
> > >
> > > In your case it probably starts with install-minimal and you got it
> > > off the gentoo downloads page.
> >
> > I've installed Gentoo using variety of distros: systemrescuecd,
> > Ubuntu, install-minimal, etc.  I never noticed that it mattered what
> > init system was in use during the install.
>
> Same here.  I even used to cook my own systemrescuecd to include some wireless
> and video firmwares to suit different MoBos.  Booting and installing in UEFI
> Vs Legacy BIOS boils down to selecting any Linux LiveISO suitable for UEFI
> booting and in the MoBo's UEFI GUI menu setting the boot mode to EFI or Legacy
> BIOS.
>
> During installation you should download the appropriate stage3 tarball[1] to
> correspond to the desired Gentoo profile[2].  Choosing a profile after you
> chroot is part of the installation steps.  If you decide to switch profile
> later on it is usually easy (except for no-multilib), but be prepared for some
> reconfiguring of your compile options and rebuilding of your @world set.
>
> [1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/
> Stage#Choosing_a_stage_tarball
>
> [2] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/
> Base#Choosing_the_right_profile
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo handbook

[Michael]

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On Sunday, 15 November 2020 14:34:09 GMT Jude DaShiell wrote:
> Totally blind people without technical support equipped with working
> eyes do not have and never will have useable access to any mo bo menu.

Right, in this case the first step to set up the boot mode on a UEFI MoBo will 
require help by a non-blind person.  Alternatively, someone with the same MoBo 
willing to help can record the number of various key strokes and provide a 
rubric to follow.

Either way, booting in UEFI is thankfully not a necessity.  Legacy BIOS works 
just as nice to be able to install and run Gentoo.  I still run 3 legacy BIOS 
systems here.  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo handbook

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 15:46:58 +0000, Michael wrote:

> On Sunday, 15 November 2020 14:34:09 GMT Jude DaShiell wrote:
> > Totally blind people without technical support equipped with working
> > eyes do not have and never will have useable access to any mo bo
> > menu.  
> 
> Right, in this case the first step to set up the boot mode on a UEFI
> MoBo will require help by a non-blind person.  Alternatively, someone
> with the same MoBo willing to help can record the number of various key
> strokes and provide a rubric to follow.
> 
> Either way, booting in UEFI is thankfully not a necessity.  Legacy BIOS
> works just as nice to be able to install and run Gentoo.  I still run 3
> legacy BIOS systems here.  :-)

In my experience, UEFI systems use UEFI boot by default. The problem with
installing Linux on them is usually the need to disable secure boot.


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