[gentoo-user] Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[gentoo-user] Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Dale]

Howdy,

I've mentioned before that I used a Motorola Razr cell phone, ancient as
it is.  Well, the USB port wore out and it was hard to get it to charge
up the battery.  Finally, I got tired of having to fiddle with it to get
it to charge so I bought a Samsung Galaxy J2, Dash version.  Up under
the battery it says J260A.  I did some googling and found some software
that says it will allow me to access the data on it.  I'm mostly wanting
to access the SD card but would also like to be able to access other
things such as contacts, calendar etc.  This is what I installed: 
sys-fs/android-file-transfer-linux  While I can access some things, it
seems not to list anything useful.  Most directories are empty which is
sort of hard to believe. 

Is there other software that I can't find that allows this to be done? 
GUI would be nice but I suspect if I can figure out what to use, a
regular file manager will be used. 

While here, is there a website that lists all the android type phones,
Samsung brand would be good, and compares them?  At some point I may
upgrade but am having trouble finding out what has what and which is
actually better.  When I'm trying to pick a CPU, I can find websites
that list CPUs by power, L1 cache and a whole host of other things but I
can't find one for cell phones.  Maybe my google terms aren't quite right. 

By the way, even tho it is a huge leap, kinda liking the new phone. 
Much easier to text and I have a signal inside where the old Razr didn't. 

Thanks much for any pointers. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Raffaele Belardi]

Dale wrote:
> Howdy,
> 
> I've mentioned before that I used a Motorola Razr cell phone, ancient as
> it is.  Well, the USB port wore out and it was hard to get it to charge
> up the battery.  Finally, I got tired of having to fiddle with it to get
> it to charge so I bought a Samsung Galaxy J2, Dash version.  Up under
> the battery it says J260A.  I did some googling and found some software
> that says it will allow me to access the data on it.  I'm mostly wanting
> to access the SD card but would also like to be able to access other
> things such as contacts, calendar etc.  This is what I installed:
> sys-fs/android-file-transfer-linux  While I can access some things, it
> seems not to list anything useful.  Most directories are empty which is
> sort of hard to believe.
> 
> Is there other software that I can't find that allows this to be done?
> GUI would be nice but I suspect if I can figure out what to use, a
> regular file manager will be used.

On Gnome desktop I think I just had to add 'mtp' to the USE flags [1] and rebuild. Now 
when I connect the phone the file manager pops up automatically and I can read/write the 
'user' part of the Flash memory.

Note that I use the Gnome file manager only to transfer photos or side-loaded [2] apps. 
Whenever I tried to access apps data I found it hard or impossible to locate them. Looks 
like Android provides standard places to store things but apps developers are not forced 
to use them and in practice everyone does what they want, possibly using directories not 
accessible to normal users. I have the impression that to really be able to browse _all_ 
the phone content you'd need to root it, which I'm not prepared to do yet.

I also installed some adb software (dev-util/android-tools [3]) but that's not needed for 
regular use, I did it only to try to backup my daughter's phone before changing the 
cracked LCD. Fortunately I did not have to use that backup because the 'adb backup' 
command worked for a minimal set of apps only.

> While here, is there a website that lists all the android type phones,
> Samsung brand would be good, and compares them?  At some point I may
> upgrade but am having trouble finding out what has what and which is
> actually better.  When I'm trying to pick a CPU, I can find websites
> that list CPUs by power, L1 cache and a whole host of other things but I
> can't find one for cell phones.  Maybe my google terms aren't quite right.

I think you should look better :-)

Just one example (that I don't use):
https://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-Galaxy-J2-Core_id10978
There's a compare button on the top right.

raffaele

[1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MTP
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideloading
[3] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Android/adb#About_ADB

Re: [gentoo-user] Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 22:17:02 -0500, Dale wrote:

> I bought a Samsung Galaxy J2, Dash version.  Up under
> the battery it says J260A.  I did some googling and found some software
> that says it will allow me to access the data on it.  I'm mostly wanting
> to access the SD card but would also like to be able to access other
> things such as contacts, calendar etc.  This is what I installed: 
> sys-fs/android-file-transfer-linux  While I can access some things, it
> seems not to list anything useful.  Most directories are empty which is
> sort of hard to believe. 
> 
> Is there other software that I can't find that allows this to be done? 
> GUI would be nice but I suspect if I can figure out what to use, a
> regular file manager will be used. 

I've found all of the MTP implementations to be wanting in some way. Then
I discovered SSHelper, an SSH server for Android. Now I can mount my
phone's storage with sshfs using a command like

sshfs -p 2222 192.168.1.144:/storage/emulated/0 /mnt/phone


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Re: [gentoo-user] Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[m4110c]

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On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 08:36:11AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote (neil@digimed.co.uk):
> On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 22:17:02 -0500, Dale wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Is there other software that I can't find that allows this to be done? 
> > GUI would be nice but I suspect if I can figure out what to use, a
> > regular file manager will be used. 
> 
> I've found all of the MTP implementations to be wanting in some way. Then
> I discovered SSHelper, an SSH server for Android. Now I can mount my
> phone's storage with sshfs using a command like
> 
> sshfs -p 2222 192.168.1.144:/storage/emulated/0 /mnt/phone
> 

If you can get it to start "Developer Mode" (i.e. Settings ->
Information -> Buildnumber <- Tapping it 7 Times repeatedly)

You can connect to it via ADB. Then you need the package
dev-util/android-tools to establish an ADB connection from Gentoo.

If that is all set up, you can use this tool:

https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy

I am really impresesd by this tool and use it all the time.

Good luck!


m4110c

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Re: [gentoo-user] Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Dale]

m4110c wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 08:36:11AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote (neil@digimed.co.uk):
>> On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 22:17:02 -0500, Dale wrote:
>>
>>> Is there other software that I can't find that allows this to be done? 
>>> GUI would be nice but I suspect if I can figure out what to use, a
>>> regular file manager will be used. 
>> I've found all of the MTP implementations to be wanting in some way. Then
>> I discovered SSHelper, an SSH server for Android. Now I can mount my
>> phone's storage with sshfs using a command like
>>
>> sshfs -p 2222 192.168.1.144:/storage/emulated/0 /mnt/phone
>>
> If you can get it to start "Developer Mode" (i.e. Settings ->
> Information -> Buildnumber <- Tapping it 7 Times repeatedly)
>
> You can connect to it via ADB. Then you need the package
> dev-util/android-tools to establish an ADB connection from Gentoo.
>
> If that is all set up, you can use this tool:
>
> https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy
>
> I am really impresesd by this tool and use it all the time.
>
> Good luck!
>
>
> m4110c
>


I was reading up on some other stuff, making the SD card available to
install apps on, and it seems the sd card can be encrypted the same way
the phone is.  Would that affect how this is done or will it not matter
as long as the phone is on and the code is entered? 

Neil, is that SSHelper installed on the phone or my puter?  I can't find
anything on that Gentoo wise. 

m4110c, where does scrcpy come from?  Is that part of android-tools as
well? 

It's weird, this was fairly easy on my old Razr. It was pretty basic and
all but it worked.  :/

Thanks to all.  Lot to learn I see.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 03:10:39 -0500, Dale wrote:

> Neil, is that SSHelper installed on the phone or my puter?  I can't find
> anything on that Gentoo wise. 

On the phone, it's an SSH server for Android.


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- Two: one to hold the giraffe, the other to fill the bathtub with
  lots of brightly colored machine tools.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 09:15:57 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 03:10:39 -0500, Dale wrote:
> 
> > Neil, is that SSHelper installed on the phone or my puter?  I can't
> > find anything on that Gentoo wise. 
> 
> On the phone, it's an SSH server for Android.

It seems there are a couple of apps with similar names, this is the one I
use

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.arachnoid.sshelper

I haven't tried the others, this one does all I need for now.


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 09:15:57 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 03:10:39 -0500, Dale wrote:
>>
>>> Neil, is that SSHelper installed on the phone or my puter?  I can't
>>> find anything on that Gentoo wise. 
>> On the phone, it's an SSH server for Android.
> It seems there are a couple of apps with similar names, this is the one I
> use
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.arachnoid.sshelper
>
> I haven't tried the others, this one does all I need for now.
>
>


Thanks for the heads up on that.  When I did my search, it turned up
quite a few of those.  With the link you shared, I knew what the little
avatar looked like and the name of the author as well.  I was able to
find the exact one that way.  For those who run up on this thread, it's
about 50MBs in size once installed.  Also, I like being able to search
around with my desltop.  That link helped me in a couple ways. 

I wonder, if I bought a bluetooth USB thingy and put that on my puter,
would that help any?  Since I hooked up my wifi router and it uses that,
would that help?  Or is the USB cable directly connected the best way? 

I think one of my problems is the SD card itself.  I can access things
with the phone but I've noticed some of my other cards do strange
things.  I've got one that won't allow me to delete items.  I even ran
dd on the thing, the entire card, and the files are still there.  I
think the card I'm currently using may have some similar issues as well
since when I format it with the phone, nothing happens.  I've ordered a
new and much larger card.  It should be here in a week or so.  It's a
32GB Sandisk card.  May wish I had a 64GB card later on tho.  lol  When
it gets here, I plan to use it and format it using the phone software
and see if that helps. 

I also looked at newer phones too.  I don't think that will matter much
tho.

Thanks much.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 22:44:26 -0500, Dale wrote:

> I wonder, if I bought a bluetooth USB thingy and put that on my puter,
> would that help any?  Since I hooked up my wifi router and it uses that,
> would that help?  Or is the USB cable directly connected the best way? 

Bluetooth is very slow for file transfers. I find WiFi the best
compromise of speed and convenience.


-- 
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"Everything takes longer than expected, even when you take
  into account Hoffstead's Law." - Hoffstead's Law

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Re: [gentoo-user] Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 22:44:26 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> I wonder, if I bought a bluetooth USB thingy and put that on my puter,
>> would that help any?  Since I hooked up my wifi router and it uses that,
>> would that help?  Or is the USB cable directly connected the best way? 
> Bluetooth is very slow for file transfers. I find WiFi the best
> compromise of speed and convenience.
>
>


Well, I tried it but it didn't work.  I suspect I'd need a app for it to
access it.  It could get there since it said it exists but couldn't
connect.  I'll try to find a app later on.  I'm putting out some raid,
literally.  Bug killing time.  ;-) 

Thanks tho.  At least I know not to waste money on the bluetooth thingy. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Raffaele Belardi]

Dale wrote:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Jul 2019 22:44:26 -0500, Dale wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder, if I bought a bluetooth USB thingy and put that on my puter,
>>> would that help any?  Since I hooked up my wifi router and it uses that,
>>> would that help?  Or is the USB cable directly connected the best way?
>> Bluetooth is very slow for file transfers. I find WiFi the best
>> compromise of speed and convenience.
>>
> 
> Well, I tried it but it didn't work.  I suspect I'd need a app for it to
> access it.  It could get there since it said it exists but couldn't
> connect.  I'll try to find a app later on.  I'm putting out some raid,
> literally.  Bug killing time.  ;-)
> 

Just for the sake of completeness, if you use a full-fledged desktop environment you don't 
need any app, just the proper USE flags. At least on Gnome it's done that way, file 
transfers are managed by the usual file manager.
But even if I set it up successfully I seldom use BT, USB is a lot more stable and faster.

raffaele

Re: [gentoo-user] Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 02:56:48 -0500, Dale wrote:

> > Bluetooth is very slow for file transfers. I find WiFi the best
> > compromise of speed and convenience.

> Well, I tried it but it didn't work.  I suspect I'd need a app for it to
> access it.  It could get there since it said it exists but couldn't
> connect.  I'll try to find a app later on.

What is "it"? All you need is the SSH server on the phone, the standard
openssh client on the computer and both connected to the same network.


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 02:56:48 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>>> Bluetooth is very slow for file transfers. I find WiFi the best
>>> compromise of speed and convenience.
>> Well, I tried it but it didn't work.  I suspect I'd need a app for it to
>> access it.  It could get there since it said it exists but couldn't
>> connect.  I'll try to find a app later on.
> What is "it"? All you need is the SSH server on the phone, the standard
> openssh client on the computer and both connected to the same network.
>
>


The it was me typing the IP address into my browser.  It sees it but
didn't have anything to connect too.  Of course, I didn't have the ssh
app open or anything so it may work with that.  I didn't think of trying
that.  I'm getting scatter brained here.  lol  I'll try that in a bit. 
Right now, I got to spray air freshener.  It kills bugs but it has a bit
of a stink to it as well. 

Thanks much to you and Raffaele for the help and info. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Wols Lists]

On 31/07/19 04:44, Dale wrote:
> I think one of my problems is the SD card itself.  I can access things
> with the phone but I've noticed some of my other cards do strange
> things.  I've got one that won't allow me to delete items.  I even ran
> dd on the thing, the entire card, and the files are still there.  I
> think the card I'm currently using may have some similar issues as well
> since when I format it with the phone, nothing happens.  I've ordered a
> new and much larger card.  It should be here in a week or so.  It's a
> 32GB Sandisk card.  May wish I had a 64GB card later on tho.  lol  When
> it gets here, I plan to use it and format it using the phone software
> and see if that helps. 

You need to pay money for a good card. And ime the micro cards are often
problematic. I've certainly binned a fair few that have died on me -
I've never had any trouble with the full size cards, but they won't fit
in a phone. But I would *never* now use a micro card and an adaptor in
my cameras.

Cheers,
Wol

[gentoo-user] Re: Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Ian Zimmerman]

On 2019-07-30 22:44, Dale wrote:

> I wonder, if I bought a bluetooth USB thingy and put that on my puter,
> would that help any? Since I hooked up my wifi router and it uses
> that, would that help? Or is the USB cable directly connected the best
> way?

I have a USB to BT adaptor.  It's worse than paperweight: I could never
make it work on gentoo, or any other kind of Linux.  I think it might be
like the infamous Winmodems of old, requiring a proprietary driver to do
anything at all.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Dale]

Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> On 2019-07-30 22:44, Dale wrote:
>
>> I wonder, if I bought a bluetooth USB thingy and put that on my puter,
>> would that help any? Since I hooked up my wifi router and it uses
>> that, would that help? Or is the USB cable directly connected the best
>> way?
> I have a USB to BT adaptor.  It's worse than paperweight: I could never
> make it work on gentoo, or any other kind of Linux.  I think it might be
> like the infamous Winmodems of old, requiring a proprietary driver to do
> anything at all.
>


Thanks for sharing that.  I'll cross that off my buy list, permanently. 
I got enough stuff that don't work right around here already.  No need
spending money to have more of it.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Jack]

On 2019.07.31 12:25, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> On 2019-07-30 22:44, Dale wrote:
> 
>> I wonder, if I bought a bluetooth USB thingy and put that on my  
>> puter, would that help any? Since I hooked up my wifi router and it  
>> uses that, would that help? Or is the USB cable directly connected  
>> the best way?
> 
> I have a USB to BT adaptor.  It's worse than paperweight: I could  
> never make it work on gentoo, or any other kind of Linux.  I think it  
> might be like the infamous Winmodems of old, requiring a proprietary  
> driver to do anything at all.

I have one that works just fine.  It shows up with lsusb as:

Bus 007 Device 002: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth  
Dongle (HCI mode)

I ordered it online, for not much money, but I'd have to dig to see if  
I still have any records of where I ordered it.  (eBay is likely)  I'd  
also have to do some digging to see if I needed to modify my kernel  
config to add anything for it.  So far, I have only used it for a  
headset, and I know I went through a number of trials and errors before  
getting it to work consistently, but it does work fine.

Jack

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[james]

On 7/31/19 2:21 PM, Jack wrote:
> On 2019.07.31 12:25, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
>> On 2019-07-30 22:44, Dale wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder, if I bought a bluetooth USB thingy and put that on my
>>> puter, would that help any? Since I hooked up my wifi router and it
>>> uses that, would that help? Or is the USB cable directly connected
>>> the best way?
>>
>> I have a USB to BT adaptor.? It's worse than paperweight: I could
>> never make it work on gentoo, or any other kind of Linux.? I think it
>> might be like the infamous Winmodems of old, requiring a proprietary
>> driver to do anything at all.
> 
> I have one that works just fine.? It shows up with lsusb as:
> 
> Bus 007 Device 002: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth
> Dongle (HCI mode)
> 
> I ordered it online, for not much money, but I'd have to dig to see if I
> still have any records of where I ordered it.? (eBay is likely)? I'd
> also have to do some digging to see if I needed to modify my kernel
> config to add anything for it.? So far, I have only used it for a
> headset, and I know I went through a number of trials and errors before
> getting it to work consistently, but it does work fine.
> 
> Jack
> 


Hello Jack,

Not sure this device would work for you; but if your phone has a type-C
port, it be interesting to try. For that matter, I'm not sure it will
work with linux (Gentoo, RHEL, *buntu....) But it sure looks promising.

https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-3USB3-0-Multiport-MacBook-Samsung/dp/B07DHQ2X8Z

hth,
James

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Jack]

On 2019.08.08 03:47, james wrote:
> On 7/31/19 2:21 PM, Jack wrote:
> > On 2019.07.31 12:25, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> >> On 2019-07-30 22:44, Dale wrote:
> >>
> >>> I wonder, if I bought a bluetooth USB thingy and put that on my
> >>> puter, would that help any? Since I hooked up my wifi router and  
> it
> >>> uses that, would that help? Or is the USB cable directly connected
> >>> the best way?
> >>
> >> I have a USB to BT adaptor.? It's worse than paperweight: I could
> >> never make it work on gentoo, or any other kind of Linux.? I think  
> it
> >> might be like the infamous Winmodems of old, requiring a  
> proprietary
> >> driver to do anything at all.
> >
> > I have one that works just fine.? It shows up with lsusb as:
> >
> > Bus 007 Device 002: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd  
> Bluetooth
> > Dongle (HCI mode)
> >
> > I ordered it online, for not much money, but I'd have to dig to see  
> if I
> > still have any records of where I ordered it.? (eBay is likely)? I'd
> > also have to do some digging to see if I needed to modify my kernel
> > config to add anything for it.? So far, I have only used it for a
> > headset, and I know I went through a number of trials and errors  
> before
> > getting it to work consistently, but it does work fine.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> 
> 
> Hello Jack,
> 
> Not sure this device would work for you; but if your phone has a  
> type-C
> port, it be interesting to try. For that matter, I'm not sure it will
> work with linux (Gentoo, RHEL, *buntu....) But it sure looks  
> promising.
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-3USB3-0-Multiport-MacBook-Samsung/dp/B07DHQ2X8Z
> 
> hth,
> James

Thanks, but I have no need for anything like that (nor does my phone  
[not a Samsung] have a USB-C port) but perhaps for Dale?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Dale]

Jack wrote:
> On 2019.08.08 03:47, james wrote:
>> On 7/31/19 2:21 PM, Jack wrote:
>> > On 2019.07.31 12:25, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
>> >> On 2019-07-30 22:44, Dale wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I wonder, if I bought a bluetooth USB thingy and put that on my
>> >>> puter, would that help any? Since I hooked up my wifi router and it
>> >>> uses that, would that help? Or is the USB cable directly connected
>> >>> the best way?
>> >>
>> >> I have a USB to BT adaptor.? It's worse than paperweight: I could
>> >> never make it work on gentoo, or any other kind of Linux.? I think it
>> >> might be like the infamous Winmodems of old, requiring a proprietary
>> >> driver to do anything at all.
>> >
>> > I have one that works just fine.? It shows up with lsusb as:
>> >
>> > Bus 007 Device 002: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd
>> Bluetooth
>> > Dongle (HCI mode)
>> >
>> > I ordered it online, for not much money, but I'd have to dig to see
>> if I
>> > still have any records of where I ordered it.? (eBay is likely)? I'd
>> > also have to do some digging to see if I needed to modify my kernel
>> > config to add anything for it.? So far, I have only used it for a
>> > headset, and I know I went through a number of trials and errors
>> before
>> > getting it to work consistently, but it does work fine.
>> >
>> > Jack
>> >
>>
>>
>> Hello Jack,
>>
>> Not sure this device would work for you; but if your phone has a type-C
>> port, it be interesting to try. For that matter, I'm not sure it will
>> work with linux (Gentoo, RHEL, *buntu....) But it sure looks promising.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-3USB3-0-Multiport-MacBook-Samsung/dp/B07DHQ2X8Z
>>
>>
>> hth,
>> James
>
> Thanks, but I have no need for anything like that (nor does my phone
> [not a Samsung] have a USB-C port) but perhaps for Dale?
>


Picking random reply, sort of.  Well, I finally got my SD card in.  I
bought a 32GB one but found a good deal on a 64GB one that was really
close by so I ordered it.  Still waiting on the 32GB one to arrive. 
Anyway, I put the 64GB one in the phone when it got here yesterday.  I
haven't tested SSHelper or anything yet.  I've only taken one picture
with the phone so far.  I may try to access it in a bit and at least see
if I can view/download/etc that one pic.  Still trying to sort out this
"cloud" thingy too.  I saved something to something "cloud" this morning
when it popped up that I could.  Let's not ask me about details tho. ROFL 

While a couple other SD cards were giving me issues, this one worked
right away.  It formatted fine and all.  I think a couple of my other SD
cards are dead.  Thing is, they work with some devices but not others. 
I haven't quite figured out the common factor yet.  Suspect the cards
have a issue tho. 

It won't let me text a image.  When I had my old Razr, they gave me a
really good deal on my monthly plan but I think they turned some things
off to bring the price down.  I have unlimited talk and text but the old
Razr didn't do pics either, or at least I didn't.  No internet at all. 
I suspect I'll have to talk to AT&T and get some things changed around a
bit with my plan.  May even have to upgrade plans for it to work. 

This may take some doing.  May run to the AT&T store right quick. 
Tomorrow's Friday and the people in that city drive like idiots on
Friday.  People drive like it is the Indy 500 or something and they plan
to win no matter who they have to run over. 

While I been dreading this upgrade, it has a LOT of good changes. 
Texting is much easier as I expected.  Signal is better as well.  I
couldn't get a signal in my living room but can get a couple bars with
the new phone.  The biggest thing I don't like really, size.  It is
bigger, much bigger.  My old Razr when closed was fairly tiny by
comparison.  Still, overall, it is much better than expected. 

As to the device linked above, I'm going to have to read up on what that
does exactly.  It might help but might not.  One thing, I moved some
apps to the SD card so I don't want to remove the card unless it is a
must.  That's why I want to have some way to download them to my puter. 
Maybe that "cloud" thingy will offer options.  :/ 

Oh, it is Linux based too.  I wonder if it is Gentoo related???

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Wols Lists]

On 08/08/19 18:06, Dale wrote:
> Picking random reply, sort of.  Well, I finally got my SD card in.  I
> bought a 32GB one but found a good deal on a 64GB one that was really
> close by so I ordered it.  Still waiting on the 32GB one to arrive. 
> Anyway, I put the 64GB one in the phone when it got here yesterday.  I
> haven't tested SSHelper or anything yet.  I've only taken one picture
> with the phone so far.  I may try to access it in a bit and at least see
> if I can view/download/etc that one pic.  Still trying to sort out this
> "cloud" thingy too.  I saved something to something "cloud" this morning
> when it popped up that I could.  Let's not ask me about details tho. ROFL 

Just be aware. Until I switched the damn thing off, our Motorola camera
app was configured by default to save to the cloud. So as soon as the
phone got access to wi-fi or whatever, it uploaded the pics and deleted
them from local storage!!!

Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Dale]

Wols Lists wrote:
> On 08/08/19 18:06, Dale wrote:
>> Picking random reply, sort of.  Well, I finally got my SD card in.  I
>> bought a 32GB one but found a good deal on a 64GB one that was really
>> close by so I ordered it.  Still waiting on the 32GB one to arrive. 
>> Anyway, I put the 64GB one in the phone when it got here yesterday.  I
>> haven't tested SSHelper or anything yet.  I've only taken one picture
>> with the phone so far.  I may try to access it in a bit and at least see
>> if I can view/download/etc that one pic.  Still trying to sort out this
>> "cloud" thingy too.  I saved something to something "cloud" this morning
>> when it popped up that I could.  Let's not ask me about details tho. ROFL 
> Just be aware. Until I switched the damn thing off, our Motorola camera
> app was configured by default to save to the cloud. So as soon as the
> phone got access to wi-fi or whatever, it uploaded the pics and deleted
> them from local storage!!!
>
> Cheers,
> Wol
>
>

Update:

I went to the store the other day and found out why some things are
giving me troubles.  It's not me being clueless, first for everything,
it's my phone plan.  When I had the Razr, the sales manager disabled
several things that the Razr couldn't do anyway in order to get the
price down.  My data plan was set at 600MBs, yes, MBs, and was disabled
which is basically like zero.  So, when I'm on a wi-fi, I can do some
things.  Other than that, not happening.  If I want to pay double tho, I
can get a regular plan more suited to my phone.  I plan to keep my
cheapy plan for the time being.

I think I disabled a lot of stuff you mentioned Wol.  I do want to get
rid of that google microphone thingy but haven't quite figured out how
or what I can use in place of it that doesn't have the microphone
thingy.  It's not like I can cut the cord on the microphone since I want
to talk on the phone to people.  ;-)  I did manage to get it set up so
that I can upload my contacts and such, just in case I run over the
phone or something with the car or my tractor. 

On the SSHelper thingy.  I installed it a while back but was unable to
test it.  Finally I took a couple pics, just random junk really, and
tested it.  FYI, it requires a file manager not a web browser.  I used
sftp for mine and was able to see my pics and also able to copy some
ringtones over to the phone.  So, SSHelper does work on the Galaxy J2 at
least.  Mine for sure. 

I have one thing I have not been able to figure out tho.  I accidentally
imported my contacts to the phone twice. When I go to the contacts part,
it shows Phone twice.  I can't figure out how to delete one of them.  No
need having two copies. I'm sure there is a trick somewhere, I just have
to find it.  lol 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Wols Lists]

On 14/08/19 03:35, Dale wrote:
> I have one thing I have not been able to figure out tho.  I accidentally
> imported my contacts to the phone twice. When I go to the contacts part,
> it shows Phone twice.  I can't figure out how to delete one of them.  No
> need having two copies. I'm sure there is a trick somewhere, I just have
> to find it.  lol 

If you've got a google account, it should eliminate duplicates. Or have
you somehow stored it once in the account, and once on the SIM?

The other thing you can do is link entries. You can configure the
phonebook so that if it has the same person in two different address
books, it only displays it as one contact.

Cheers,
Wol

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Wols Lists]

On 14/08/19 03:35, Dale wrote:
> So, when I'm on a wi-fi, I can do some
> things.  Other than that, not happening.  If I want to pay double tho, I
> can get a regular plan more suited to my phone.  I plan to keep my
> cheapy plan for the time being.

How cheap is your plan? The *cheapest* plan I know of over here is £4/m,
and that comes with 500MB. I pay £5, and get 1.5GB. The only thing
cheaper is "pay and go". I probably should switch to pay as you go, but
I like the convenience of my phone always working.

Cheers,
Wol

[gentoo-user] Re: Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2019-07-31, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> I wonder, if I bought a bluetooth USB thingy and put that on my
> puter, would that help any?

I'm not sure what you're asking about it helping, but bluetooth is
slow and sort of futzy.

> Since I hooked up my wifi router and it uses that,
> would that help?

Wifi is by far the simplest way to get network connectivity between
phone and computer.  When combined with an FTP or SSH/SCP/SFTP server
on the phone, I've found it to be a fast and reliable way to transfer
files back and forth.

> Or is the USB cable directly connected the best way?

With the USB cable, you've got two options: MTP and USB-teather.

For me, Linux<->Android MTP support sort of works some of the time.
The last time I tried it, I couldn't get it to work, and switched to
using Wifi+FTP.

USB "teathering" provides what looks to the Linux desktop as a network
interface (with the phone acting as a router). For me that usually
"just works".  When I want to transfer files, my phone is usually
already connected to the local network via Wifi, so that's what use.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[m4110c]

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 03:10:39AM -0500, Dale wrote (rdalek1967@gmail.com):
> 
> I was reading up on some other stuff, making the SD card available to
> install apps on, and it seems the sd card can be encrypted the same way
> the phone is.  Would that affect how this is done or will it not matter
> as long as the phone is on and the code is entered? 
> 

I don't think so. If the phone is up and the correct code is entered, it
should be decrypted completely. Except, if there was some additional
encryption applied to the SD-Card. (but why would anyone do that if they
can use Android for it?)

> 
> m4110c, where does scrcpy come from?  Is that part of android-tools as
> well? 
> 

No, it's a tool developed by some guy. You can find it on github under
the link I provided. It is a tool that uses the ADB protocol to transmit
the screen and other data from the phone to your PC. It communicates
with android-tools if you want. 

However if you have access to the phone it does not make much sense to
use it, as you can just ues the phone directly.

> It's weird, this was fairly easy on my old Razr. It was pretty basic and
> all but it worked.  :/

Anyways, I would say that it's very probable, that there is just nothing
on that phone. If it would be encrypted, you would not have access to
the card at all. So no folders to see. Usually, disks/cards that are encrypted
do not even show up as having a file system so the card will not be
mounted and readable at all. As you say that you have access to the
folders I guess there is just nothing in there.

Except of course, that you have the phone of a super-hacker-secret-agent
who uses tools to let you access his device but hide the data from
you... ;-)


m4110c

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Re: [gentoo-user] Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Wols Lists]

On 30/07/19 09:10, Dale wrote:
> It's weird, this was fairly easy on my old Razr. It was pretty basic and
> all but it worked.  :/

I've got a Motorola (Lenovo) G5, which I bought because it had the
reputation of being pretty stock Android. I moved away from Samsung
because that was heavily customised. That could be why your Razr was
easier than your new phone.

Although all Androids are moving more towards stock images I believe...

Cheers,
Wol

[gentoo-user] Re: Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2019-07-30, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:

> I've found all of the MTP implementations to be wanting in some way.

I have had mixed results with various MTP filesystem implementations.
Sometimes I've gotten one or other of them to work, but the next time
I try to use the same one on the same phone, no go.  IIRC, I had the
best luck with jmtpfs, but there are varous forks of it...

> Then I discovered SSHelper, an SSH server for Android. Now I can
> mount my phone's storage with sshfs using a command like
>
> sshfs -p 2222 192.168.1.144:/storage/emulated/0 /mnt/phone

Yep, I second that recommendation.  There are also a couple free FTP
servers that work well. I've had good luck with FTPServer by Andreas
Liebig, but there's really no reason to pick FTP over SSH/SCP/SFTP.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Helmut Jarausch]

On 07/30/2019 09:36:11 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> I've found all of the MTP implementations to be wanting in some way.  
> Then
> I discovered SSHelper, an SSH server for Android. Now I can mount my
> phone's storage with sshfs using a command like
> 
> sshfs -p 2222 192.168.1.144:/storage/emulated/0 /mnt/phone
> 

SSHelper has a big disadvantage: it cannot write to the external SD  
card.
I'm using "primitive ftpd" instead. It has an option to use Androids  
"storage access framework".
Now I can transfer files to my external SD card even on an unrooted  
device.

Re: [gentoo-user] Accessing a Samsung phone and it's data.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 17:36:29 +0200, Helmut Jarausch wrote:

> > I've found all of the MTP implementations to be wanting in some way.  
> > Then
> > I discovered SSHelper, an SSH server for Android. Now I can mount my
> > phone's storage with sshfs using a command like
> > 
> > sshfs -p 2222 192.168.1.144:/storage/emulated/0 /mnt/phone
> >   
> 
> SSHelper has a big disadvantage: it cannot write to the external SD  
> card.

That's worth knowing, or probably not. It's been years since I've had a
phone with an SD card slot.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

In the 60's people took acid to make the world weird.
Now the world is weird and people take Prozac to make it normal.

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