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From: "Holger Hoffstätte" <holger.hoffstaette@googlemail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: This nite's switch to "full multilib"
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2015 10:42:03 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <pan.2015.03.30.10.42.03@googlemail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 55192205.4060702@gmail.com

On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 12:14:29 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

>> OK, then so why do I have to edit files to tell the system to USE this
>> and that after the system tells me it needs that ... ?
>> 
>> Why isn't this taken care of within portage itself?
>> 
>> I don't *want* to decide 32bit or not ... (I like that I *can* ...)
>> 
>> I want a (mostly) stable and current linux system with the necessary
>> choices done by the maintainers ... if Skype needs it ... ok, then make
>> that a dependency/requirement somewhere ... but why force me to set that
>> (for so many packages) ?
> 
> OK, think it through first.

Sure thing.

> You want skype. Skype is 32bit. So far, we're good. You put an entry in
> package.use to enable abi_x86_32 for skype.

Except..at that point you would have already failed.

There is no good reason whatsoever why portage shouldn't be able to treat
this like a transitive required USE flag requirement, percolating through
all libs from the toplevel requirement's dependency tree.

In fact it should do so automatically when the ebuild declares the abi_x86_32
constraint from the start, without requiring the user to do anything.

There are other reasons why coupling the native and 32-bit worlds together is
a bad idea in the long-term, regardless of understandable technical reasons
and good intentions.

So yeah: think it through first.

-h



  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-30 10:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-29  9:58 [gentoo-user] This nite's switch to "full multilib" Yanestra
2015-03-29 12:39 ` Rich Freeman
2015-03-29 15:03 ` wabenbau
2015-03-29 15:20   ` Peter Humphrey
2015-03-29 15:57     ` Mick
2015-03-29 16:08   ` Yanestra
2015-03-29 16:21     ` Mick
2015-03-29 16:43       ` wabenbau
2015-03-29 16:58         ` Mick
2015-03-29 17:22           ` wabenbau
2015-03-30  8:57           ` Peter Humphrey
2015-03-29 17:27         ` [gentoo-user] " Michael Palimaka
2015-03-29 18:03           ` Yanestra
2015-03-29 18:23           ` Rich Freeman
2015-03-29 17:07       ` [gentoo-user] " Alan McKinnon
2015-03-29 17:30         ` Mick
2015-03-29 17:53           ` Stefan G. Weichinger
2015-03-29 18:16             ` Alan McKinnon
2015-03-29 22:10               ` Stefan G. Weichinger
2015-03-29 22:39                 ` Yanestra
2015-03-29 22:51                 ` Alan McKinnon
2015-03-30  8:58                   ` Stefan G. Weichinger
2015-03-30  9:23                     ` Mick
2015-03-30  9:39                       ` Alan McKinnon
2015-03-30 10:02                         ` Stefan G. Weichinger
2015-03-30 10:14                           ` Alan McKinnon
2015-03-30 10:42                             ` Holger Hoffstätte [this message]
2015-03-30 11:14                               ` [gentoo-user] " Alan McKinnon
2015-03-30 12:15                                 ` Holger Hoffstätte
2015-03-30 12:44                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2015-03-30 13:04                                     ` Holger Hoffstätte
2015-03-30 14:34                                       ` Neil Bothwick
2015-03-30 15:15                                         ` Peter Humphrey
2015-03-30 19:09                                       ` Alan McKinnon
2015-03-30 19:44                                         ` Fernando Rodriguez
2015-03-30 19:52                                           ` Grant Edwards
2015-04-01 18:20                                             ` Chris Camisa
2015-03-30 19:46                                         ` Grant Edwards
2015-03-30 20:28                                           ` Neil Bothwick
2015-03-30 20:39                                             ` Grant Edwards
2015-04-01 17:28                                 ` Róbert Čerňanský
2015-04-02  4:42                                   ` Sebastian Beßler
2015-04-02  5:21                                     ` Róbert Čerňanský
2015-04-02  8:41                                       ` Neil Bothwick
2015-04-02  9:29                                         ` Róbert Čerňanský
2015-04-02 10:01                                           ` Neil Bothwick
2015-04-02 15:37                                           ` Grant Edwards
2015-04-02 16:24                                             ` Rich Freeman
2015-04-03  8:00                                               ` [gentoo-user] " Stroller
2015-04-03  8:30                                                 ` Dale
2015-04-04  9:39                                                   ` Stroller
2015-04-04 12:33                                                     ` Dale
2015-04-04 22:38                                                       ` Neil Bothwick
2015-04-05  7:24                                                         ` Dale
2015-04-05  9:07                                                           ` Neil Bothwick
2015-04-05  9:41                                                             ` Dale
2015-04-05 12:09                                                               ` Neil Bothwick
2015-04-05 13:27                                                                 ` Rich Freeman
2015-04-05 13:39                                                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2015-04-05 11:21                                                             ` Rich Freeman
2015-04-05 12:12                                                               ` Neil Bothwick
2015-04-05 20:18                                                                 ` [gentoo-user] " James
2015-04-06  8:39                                                         ` [gentoo-user] " Graham Murray
2015-04-04 22:40                                                     ` Neil Bothwick
2015-04-03  9:17                                                 ` Neil Bothwick
2015-04-03  7:52                                             ` Stroller
2015-04-05 21:36                                               ` Fernando Rodriguez
2015-04-02 10:40                                     ` [gentoo-user] " Rich Freeman
2015-03-30 10:31                           ` [gentoo-user] " Neil Bothwick
2015-04-01 17:50                             ` Róbert Čerňanský
2015-04-01 18:05                               ` Rich Freeman
2015-04-02  5:27                                 ` Róbert Čerňanský
2015-04-02  8:32                                 ` Neil Bothwick
2015-03-30 10:57                           ` Rich Freeman
2015-04-02 22:40                       ` Frank Steinmetzger
2015-04-02 23:08                         ` Frank Steinmetzger
2015-04-02 23:25                           ` Mick
2015-04-03  7:57                             ` Stroller
2015-03-30  9:12                   ` Dale
2015-03-30 10:34                     ` Neil Bothwick
2015-03-30 10:59                       ` Dale
2015-03-30 12:40                         ` Neil Bothwick
2015-03-30 13:01                           ` Peter Humphrey
2015-03-30 13:42                           ` Dale
2015-03-30 14:29                             ` Neil Bothwick
2015-03-31  0:46                               ` Dale
2015-03-31  7:30                                 ` Neil Bothwick
2015-03-31 10:13                                 ` Alan McKinnon
2015-03-30 20:01             ` Gevisz
2015-03-29 18:12           ` Alan McKinnon
2015-03-30  9:12             ` Peter Humphrey
2015-03-30 22:23               ` [gentoo-user] " James
2015-04-02  9:31                 ` Peter Humphrey

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