[gentoo-user] Will profile 17.0 break 3rd party binaries?

[gentoo-user] Will profile 17.0 break 3rd party binaries?

[Grant Edwards]

There are a number of third-party binary executables that I use
regularly on my Gentoo systems.  These are dynamically linked, x86-64,
programs that typically depend on various X11 and Qt/Gtk libraries.
They were either extracted from .rpm/.deb files or distributed as
shell-archive self-installers by their respective vendors.

Is switching to the new 17.0 profile likely to break them?  

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[gentoo-user] Re: Will profile 17.0 break 3rd party binaries?

[Holger Hoffstätte]

On Mon, 04 Dec 2017 22:42:45 +0000, Grant Edwards wrote:

> There are a number of third-party binary executables that I use
> regularly on my Gentoo systems.  These are dynamically linked, x86-64,
> programs that typically depend on various X11 and Qt/Gtk libraries.
> They were either extracted from .rpm/.deb files or distributed as
> shell-archive self-installers by their respective vendors.
> 
> Is switching to the new 17.0 profile likely to break them?

Good question. I've been using a pie-enabled gcc 7.2 for months before
the 17.0 profile switch and both acroread and skype (the new one) still
work, so chances are your stuff will too.

-h

[gentoo-user] Re: Will profile 17.0 break 3rd party binaries?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2017-12-05, Holger Hoffstätte <holger@applied-asynchrony.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Dec 2017 22:42:45 +0000, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> There are a number of third-party binary executables that I use
>> regularly on my Gentoo systems. [...]
>>
>> Is switching to the new 17.0 profile likely to break them?
>
> Good question. I've been using a pie-enabled gcc 7.2 for months
> before the 17.0 profile switch and both acroread and skype (the new
> one) still work, so chances are your stuff will too.

That's good to hear.  I guess the worst case is I end up having to
copy some shared libraires from CentOS/Ubuntu for them.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Will profile 17.0 break 3rd party binaries?

[Ian Zimmerman]

On 2017-12-05 00:05, Holger Hoffstätte wrote:

> > There are a number of third-party binary executables that I use
> > regularly on my Gentoo systems.  These are dynamically linked,
> > x86-64, programs that typically depend on various X11 and Qt/Gtk
> > libraries.  They were either extracted from .rpm/.deb files or
> > distributed as shell-archive self-installers by their respective
> > vendors.
> > 
> > Is switching to the new 17.0 profile likely to break them?
> 
> Good question. I've been using a pie-enabled gcc 7.2 for months before
> the 17.0 profile switch and both acroread and skype (the new one)
> still work, so chances are your stuff will too.

Years ago when I used acroread I found it quite irritating that it came
with its own bundled gtk and pretty much everything else.  If it's still
that way it's probably the reason why it is unaffected by the change.

I don't know if Grant's binaries are of similar persuasion.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Will profile 17.0 break 3rd party binaries?

[Adam Carter]

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> > Good question. I've been using a pie-enabled gcc 7.2 for months before
> > the 17.0 profile switch and both acroread and skype (the new one)
> > still work, so chances are your stuff will too.
>
> Years ago when I used acroread I found it quite irritating that it came
> with its own bundled gtk and pretty much everything else.  If it's still
> that way it's probably the reason why it is unaffected by the change.
>
> I don't know if Grant's binaries are of similar persuasion.
>

And if something doesn't work trying USE +bundled-libs would be worthwhile.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Will profile 17.0 break 3rd party binaries?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2017-12-05, Adam Carter <adamcarter3@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Good question. I've been using a pie-enabled gcc 7.2 for months before
>> > the 17.0 profile switch and both acroread and skype (the new one)
>> > still work, so chances are your stuff will too.
>>
>> Years ago when I used acroread I found it quite irritating that it came
>> with its own bundled gtk and pretty much everything else.  If it's still
>> that way it's probably the reason why it is unaffected by the change.
>>
>> I don't know if Grant's binaries are of similar persuasion.
>
> And if something doesn't work trying USE +bundled-libs would be worthwhile.

That only helps for things that are packaged as ebuilds, right?  [The
apps I'm asking about are from .rpm, .deb. or other sources.]

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[gentoo-user] Re: Will profile 17.0 break 3rd party binaries?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2017-12-05, Ian Zimmerman <itz@very.loosely.org> wrote:
> On 2017-12-05 00:05, Holger Hoffstätte wrote:
>
>> > There are a number of third-party binary executables that I use
>> > regularly on my Gentoo systems.
>> > [...]
>> > Is switching to the new 17.0 profile likely to break them?
>> 
>> Good question. I've been using a pie-enabled gcc 7.2 for months before
>> the 17.0 profile switch and both acroread and skype (the new one)
>> still work, so chances are your stuff will too.
>
> Years ago when I used acroread I found it quite irritating that it
> came with its own bundled gtk and pretty much everything else.  If
> it's still that way it's probably the reason why it is unaffected by
> the change.
>
> I don't know if Grant's binaries are of similar persuasion.

No, they depend on the host environment for all libraries that are not
unique to the application: libc, libstdc++, Qt, gtk, xml, crypto, ssl,
etc.  If necissary, I could grab the required libraires from a Centos
or Ubuntu installation and set LD_LIBRARY_PATH appropriately in a
wrapper, but that's annoying...

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[gentoo-user] Re: Will profile 17.0 break 3rd party binaries?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2017-12-05, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2017-12-05, Ian Zimmerman <itz@very.loosely.org> wrote:
>> On 2017-12-05 00:05, Holger Hoffstätte wrote:
>>
>>> > There are a number of third-party binary executables that I use
>>> > regularly on my Gentoo systems.
>>> > [...]
>>> > Is switching to the new 17.0 profile likely to break them?
>>> 
>>> Good question. I've been using a pie-enabled gcc 7.2 for months
>>> before the 17.0 profile switch and both acroread and skype (the
>>> new one) still work, so chances are your stuff will too.
>>
>> Years ago when I used acroread I found it quite irritating that it
>> came with its own bundled gtk and pretty much everything else.  If
>> it's still that way it's probably the reason why it is unaffected
>> by the change.
>>
>> I don't know if Grant's binaries are of similar persuasion.
>
> No, they depend on the host environment for all libraries that are
> not unique to the application: libc, libstdc++, Qt, gtk, xml,
> crypto, ssl, etc.

FWIW, I finished rebuilding world w/ 17.0 over the weekend, and it
looks like my third-party binaries all work the same as they did
before.  That's what I expected based on my understanding of the PIE
change: it didn't change the ABI or the way dynamic library linkage
worked.

I did have to grab the qtwebkit:4 ebuild out of the attic, but that's
apparently still working too.

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