From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N7Gt7-0004o6-Up for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:09:39 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CE80E0BF8; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:09:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com (ey-out-1920.google.com [74.125.78.150]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC0BE0BF8 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:09:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 3so532900eyh.40 for ; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:08:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:content-type:to:subject :references:date:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:from :message-id:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=kFs6fUCJiwyR7WFXNGn+SZ1ClW99jgjGAFhk1QsdmKE=; b=qSIF85QrWBgf4ubvkUZ5cRQGkjWeIHeTx3598Bk+LSAneUnoM6j9cxbUKE/NtGTwh8 vO8Ae2ZWli0rTe5BxfyjBy/9ivFZsENrp2VBjDb7TxKnwLvptmJZZknZo3prF/OVLLVH YgWrvaujCdKN7vG/3fupubQsjDYmfRDgafu0s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=content-type:to:subject:references:date:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:from:message-id:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=lsI21GEzF8D5BJ/nmGR6o3aYtBbeyjF2nYdsqSSvkBw65cdCKWY72BDVTtzMMWasKr 5z4LOMMqAA5sy7SCFjFZ0JcCCwphblFX86ULt5M9jWR8xCIlFrrUUzMhA8MTKAU52Eit wBb6c5P1trtXSkv2Mpp3K+NYyjKXkdJ4C5ORM= Received: by 10.213.23.199 with SMTP id s7mr8089562ebb.80.1257721738849; Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:08:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeerak (0110ds1-abc.0.fullrate.dk [90.185.49.13]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm4596041eyf.23.2009.11.08.15.08.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:08:58 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: decrapify your kernel config WAS: ps shows pegasus process running - what is it? References: <39CFC182-B039-4D26-9880-DC26485DF8F2@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <200911082335.43358.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <4AF7443D.7070708@gmail.com> <200911090034.09362.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <4AF74E0A.1070004@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:08:44 +0100 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Zeerak Waseem" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4AF74E0A.1070004@gmail.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/10.10 (Linux) X-Archives-Salt: 74ef1f65-6c18-44f4-8239-5971f56c34c8 X-Archives-Hash: 66ec61cf2d1f572796c401d357f5e749 On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:02:34 +0100, Dale wrote: > Alan McKinnon wrote: >> On Monday 09 November 2009 00:20:45 Dale wrote: >> >>> What he said plus this little tidbit of info. When I built my first >>> kernel, I had no howto except for the basic instructions in the Gentoo >>> install guide. This was about 6 years or so ago and there was not a >>> lot >>> on configuring a kernel except for the options Gentoo needed. It took >>> me three tries to get one to boot and work pretty well and all of a >>> hour >>> at most. A lot of that hour was compiling the kernel. >>> >>> >> >> Three tries Dale? Only three? >> >> You deserve a medal for that. My first attempt took at least 10 goes >> >> ;-) >> >> >> > > I didn't say it was perfect, I said it booted and worked pretty well. > Now getting the sensors, USB and some other odds and ends took a few > more. Once I got booted tho, I was ginning pretty good. You also have > to keep in mind, my system is not real complicated. Basically, chipset, > file system, and sound card to start with. USB was the fun one. I have > to have one USB driver for my printer and another for my camera. One is > the old style USB 1 and the other is USB 2 or something to that effect. > > Point to the OP tho, once I had a good running kernel, make oldconfig > worked for years. I did have to build one from scratch a year or so > because things changed drastically and oldconfig got confused. So > basically, I have had to build from scratch twice in the last 5 or 6 > years. I think that shows oldconfig works pretty good. > > I do find this funny tho. Someone spends the better part of a day > installing Gentoo but doesn't think building their own kernel is worth > it. Most compiles take longer to finish than configing a kernel. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > I can only speak for myself, but part of what makes the "gentoo experience" for me is knowing that my kernel, software etc. is built to my basic needs. And building and configuring a kernel really doesn't take as much time as you might spend on various unnecessary pursuits (ie. reading webcomics, articles that can wait, reading the news that'll be broadcasted to you later through a tv-news programme). But as others have said, if you're not interested in spending time on making it tick, and just want an easy fix, then go for a binary distro. Of course, if you decide to read the book, well then, there's the off chance that you might just find it interesting and read it, not because it can be useful, but because it sparks your interest. And no, configuring a kernel from scratch doesn't (take me) 5 minutes, but the half hour it does take, are well spent. -- Zeerak