From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HZ2bz-0007Ps-1i for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 10:21:07 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l34AJp1X013996; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:19:51 GMT Received: from lancia.kaluga.ru (mx.kaluga.ru [62.148.128.2]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34AFWI3009430 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 10:15:33 GMT Received: from gak ([62.148.134.162]) by lancia.kaluga.ru (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l34AFR0B027297 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:15:30 +0400 (MSD) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:15:40 +0400 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!? From: "Andrey Gerasimenko" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=koi8-r Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20070404041739.GA15293@crowfix.com> <200704040629.50315.bo.andresen@zlin.dk> <20070404051306.GA18520@crowfix.com> <200704040736.53695.bo.andresen@zlin.dk> <20070404073245.GA29113@crowfix.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070404073245.GA29113@crowfix.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.02 (Win32) X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000730-2, 04/03/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Archives-Salt: 7c8ed572-813e-49a3-b014-b1570ed1413b X-Archives-Hash: d214e20413bcfc6c8a95b39a70452fd5 On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:32:45 +0400, wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 07:36:49AM +0200, Bo ?rsted Andresen wrote: > >> Weren't you talking about portage? In that case you should obviously >> file it >> against portage.. But yeah, any app that has a --nocolor equivalent that >> doesn't work deserves a bug report.. Even for apps that don't it's >> reasonable >> to file it as an enhancement request. > > Oh for pete's sake, don't be so literal. Esearch has screwed up. > Emerge has screwed up. Revdep-rebuild has screwed up. Stop reading > the leaves on the trees and paya ttention to the forest. Your quibbly > attitude is exactly the petulant behavior which makes me not want to > waste my time filing bug reports on somebody's pet eye candy. > Exactly, all of them are screwed up! Now, I can imagine 4 possible reasons for that: 1. Each is screwed up individually. So, each deserves a bug report. 2. They share some function that is screwed up. If so, only one bug report wil fix them all, but filing more will not hurt. 3. This is a feature since the portage colors are configurable and developers may think it is unnecessary to have/add/maintain a command line switch. If so, a bug bug report will be transformed into a feature request bug report. 4. Until now all Gentoo users and developers used properly configured high quality monitors and enjoyed both dark blue (or navy?) and light yellow on, say, black background. Since it is unlikely that they downgrade to something like budget LCDs, they need a bug report just to know that the problem exists. Ergo, please file a bug report on my eye candy. >> First of all I believe most people (including myself) very much prefer >> colors >> over no colors (no I cannot qualify with any numbers..). That does not, >> however, mean that the pipe detection and --color switch etc. shouldn't >> be >> honoured. It should (and it does here). Secondly, how did you come up >> with >> the idea that a bug report would be dismissed if you never filed one? > > The UNIX standard for ages has been simple text output. Why must > gentoo add trendy colors which change every time some eye candy > fanatic gets a bug up his butt to change colors when he gets bored > with the old fashioned colors? the default ought to be colors OFF and > you have to ask to get them. > If I remember correctly, ls already had colored output when I first saw linux in 1997. I also do not understand how the console managed to get the ability to display colors if it was in violation of the standard. Each portage color has a meaning, and i find it handy to know which lines to read and which not to. Why not create a better color scheme and submit it as a bug report? > I choose fonts small enough to get maximum density with minimum eye > strain. The only way I could read these colors would be to increase > the font size and decrease the density. If gentoo developers think > that a wise trade off when almost no other utility uses colors so much > and so horribly, then gentoo is broken by design and no amount of bug > reportage will change a damned thing. Harmony is a nice design > feature. You ought to try it sometime. > The design already has adjustable color scheme, what else do you need? However, I agree that the design is broken; projects like Paludis would never exist otherwise. So what? > As long as I am ranting, I may as well throw in a few rants on the > amateur kids who run gentoo; those who think the world should be > thankful for their color choices are the same idiots who linked ls > against a /usr/lib library and made my system ubootable, who removed > libraries which LVM linked against during boot and made my system > unbootable. Gentoo has good points, starting with portage, but it > also has innumerable insufferable knowitalls who make me gnash my > teeth at their inconsiderate unthinking fad-of-the-week behavior. > Yes, Gentoo is run by amateur kids. I see the only way to fix it - join the Gentoo development. -- Andrei Gerasimenko -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list