* [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable
@ 2016-04-09 10:12 Mick
2016-04-09 15:35 ` Andrés Becerra Sandoval
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From: Mick @ 2016-04-09 10:12 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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I noticed to day that Plasma 5 is now stable, which means I will soon have to
deal with it. I run a number of boxen with Gentoo on them. Some of them do
not run a full KDE desktop, only selected KDE apps, some KDE meta packages
including kdepim-meta.
For these boxen I have set:
[3] default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop *
and USE=kde, -gnome in make.conf. What would you recommend I do if I still do
not wish to install or run the full KDE desktop environment? Are there any
gotchas?
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Regards,
Mick
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2016-04-09 10:12 [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable Mick
@ 2016-04-09 15:35 ` Andrés Becerra Sandoval
2016-04-09 16:16 ` Marc Joliet
2016-04-09 20:03 ` Neil Bothwick
2016-04-11 10:34 ` Peter Humphrey
2 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Andrés Becerra Sandoval @ 2016-04-09 15:35 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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2016-04-09 5:12 GMT-05:00 Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>:
> I noticed to day that Plasma 5 is now stable, which means I will soon have
> to
> deal with it. I run a number of boxen with Gentoo on them. Some of them
> do
> not run a full KDE desktop, only selected KDE apps, some KDE meta packages
> including kdepim-meta.
>
> For these boxen I have set:
>
>
> [3] default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop *
>
> and USE=kde, -gnome in make.conf. What would you recommend I do if I
> still do
> not wish to install or run the full KDE desktop environment? Are there any
> gotchas?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mick
Hello Mick,
kdepim applications have been not ported to Plasma 5 yet. You will not have
problem with those.
Some applications migrated are: ark, dolphin, gwenview, kate, konsole,
kwrite, telepathy, konversation, marble and most of games and educational
applications.
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Andrés Becerra Sandoval
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable
2016-04-09 15:35 ` Andrés Becerra Sandoval
@ 2016-04-09 16:16 ` Marc Joliet
2016-04-09 21:42 ` Andrés Becerra Sandoval
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From: Marc Joliet @ 2016-04-09 16:16 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Saturday 09 April 2016 10:35:44 Andrés Becerra Sandoval wrote:
[...]
>kdepim applications have been not ported to Plasma 5 yet. You will not have
>problem with those.
[...]
I happened to notice that the KDE overlay has versions for Plasma 5
(https://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/kde.git/tree/kde-apps/kdepim). From what I've
been told from a friend using openSUSE I wouldn't want to switch to it just yet,
though.
HTH
--
Marc Joliet
--
"People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we
don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable
2016-04-09 10:12 [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable Mick
2016-04-09 15:35 ` Andrés Becerra Sandoval
@ 2016-04-09 20:03 ` Neil Bothwick
2016-04-09 21:41 ` Mick
2016-04-11 10:34 ` Peter Humphrey
2 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Neil Bothwick @ 2016-04-09 20:03 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 11:12:51 +0100, Mick wrote:
> I noticed to day that Plasma 5 is now stable, which means I will soon
> have to deal with it. I run a number of boxen with Gentoo on them.
> Some of them do not run a full KDE desktop, only selected KDE apps,
> some KDE meta packages including kdepim-meta.
>
> For these boxen I have set:
>
> [3] default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop *
>
> and USE=kde, -gnome in make.conf. What would you recommend I do if I
> still do not wish to install or run the full KDE desktop environment?
> Are there any gotchas?
I'd use the KDE profile. The packages you install are still the ones you
want but the profile means the USE flags are already as you need, and you
can always tweak any you want different anyway.
--
Neil Bothwick
WinErr 00D: Window closed - Do not look outside
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable
2016-04-09 20:03 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2016-04-09 21:41 ` Mick
2016-04-09 22:08 ` Neil Bothwick
0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2016-04-09 21:41 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Saturday 09 Apr 2016 21:03:09 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 11:12:51 +0100, Mick wrote:
> > I noticed to day that Plasma 5 is now stable, which means I will soon
> > have to deal with it. I run a number of boxen with Gentoo on them.
> > Some of them do not run a full KDE desktop, only selected KDE apps,
> > some KDE meta packages including kdepim-meta.
> >
> > For these boxen I have set:
> >
> > [3] default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop *
> >
> > and USE=kde, -gnome in make.conf. What would you recommend I do if I
> > still do not wish to install or run the full KDE desktop environment?
> > Are there any gotchas?
>
> I'd use the KDE profile. The packages you install are still the ones you
> want but the profile means the USE flags are already as you need, and you
> can always tweak any you want different anyway.
Reading eselect news I thought that the KDE profile and kde USE flag is due to
be withdrawn with Plasma 5 going stable, did I get this wrong?
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Regards,
Mick
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable
2016-04-09 21:41 ` Mick
@ 2016-04-09 22:08 ` Neil Bothwick
2016-04-10 7:09 ` Mick
0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Neil Bothwick @ 2016-04-09 22:08 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 22:41:01 +0100, Mick wrote:
> > I'd use the KDE profile. The packages you install are still the ones
> > you want but the profile means the USE flags are already as you need,
> > and you can always tweak any you want different anyway.
>
> Reading eselect news I thought that the KDE profile and kde USE flag is
> due to be withdrawn with Plasma 5 going stable, did I get this wrong?
Sorry, I meant the plasma profile.
--
Neil Bothwick
If at first you don't suceed, try the switch marked "Power"
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable
2016-04-09 22:08 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2016-04-10 7:09 ` Mick
2016-04-10 9:25 ` J. Roeleveld
0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2016-04-10 7:09 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Saturday 09 Apr 2016 23:08:13 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 22:41:01 +0100, Mick wrote:
> > > I'd use the KDE profile. The packages you install are still the ones
> > > you want but the profile means the USE flags are already as you need,
> > > and you can always tweak any you want different anyway.
> >
> > Reading eselect news I thought that the KDE profile and kde USE flag is
> > due to be withdrawn with Plasma 5 going stable, did I get this wrong?
>
> Sorry, I meant the plasma profile.
I just noticed, one box is set at:
[11] default/linux/amd64/13.0/no-multilib *
Is this a reinstall exercise?
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Mick
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable
2016-04-10 7:09 ` Mick
@ 2016-04-10 9:25 ` J. Roeleveld
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From: J. Roeleveld @ 2016-04-10 9:25 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Sunday, April 10, 2016 08:09:28 AM Mick wrote:
> On Saturday 09 Apr 2016 23:08:13 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Sat, 09 Apr 2016 22:41:01 +0100, Mick wrote:
> > > > I'd use the KDE profile. The packages you install are still the ones
> > > > you want but the profile means the USE flags are already as you need,
> > > > and you can always tweak any you want different anyway.
> > >
> > > Reading eselect news I thought that the KDE profile and kde USE flag is
> > > due to be withdrawn with Plasma 5 going stable, did I get this wrong?
> >
> > Sorry, I meant the plasma profile.
>
> I just noticed, one box is set at:
>
> [11] default/linux/amd64/13.0/no-multilib *
>
> Is this a reinstall exercise?
Usually yes, but there is a work-around:
Create a temporary chroot with a non-no-multilib installation.
Use that to create binary packages.
Then change the profile of the main installation to a non-no-multilib profile
Using the packages created in the chroot, do an "emerge -e @world"
That worked for me. (Found this in a blogposting somewhere)
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable
2016-04-09 10:12 [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable Mick
2016-04-09 15:35 ` Andrés Becerra Sandoval
2016-04-09 20:03 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2016-04-11 10:34 ` Peter Humphrey
2016-04-11 11:17 ` J. Roeleveld
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2 siblings, 3 replies; 22+ messages in thread
From: Peter Humphrey @ 2016-04-11 10:34 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Saturday 09 April 2016 11:12:51 Mick wrote:
> I noticed today that Plasma 5 is now stable, which means I will soon have
> to deal with it.
I saw that too, and it cast a gloom over the rest of my day. I intend to stick
with KDE-4 until some more sensible themes become available in Plasma 5, so I
hope someone will be keeping an archive of KDE-4 somewhere, as in the earlier
case of KDE 3 -> 4.
Last time I searched for Plasma 5 themes (or design methods, in case I might
be able to create my own) I came up empty handed. My objection to the
available one is that it's just ugly: acres of wasted space everywhere, and
great blocks of solid colour, some of which are actually buttons without
looking like them. Nothing subtle or sophisticated about it at all.
If anyone can point me to a better theme I'll be grateful.
--
Rgds
Peter
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2016-04-11 10:34 ` Peter Humphrey
@ 2016-04-11 11:17 ` J. Roeleveld
2016-04-11 18:15 ` Mick
2016-04-11 18:35 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2016-04-14 18:37 ` Michael Palimaka
2 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: J. Roeleveld @ 2016-04-11 11:17 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Monday, April 11, 2016 11:34:03 AM Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Saturday 09 April 2016 11:12:51 Mick wrote:
> > I noticed today that Plasma 5 is now stable, which means I will soon have
> > to deal with it.
>
> I saw that too, and it cast a gloom over the rest of my day. I intend to
> stick with KDE-4 until some more sensible themes become available in Plasma
> 5, so I hope someone will be keeping an archive of KDE-4 somewhere, as in
> the earlier case of KDE 3 -> 4.
>
> Last time I searched for Plasma 5 themes (or design methods, in case I might
> be able to create my own) I came up empty handed. My objection to the
> available one is that it's just ugly: acres of wasted space everywhere, and
> great blocks of solid colour, some of which are actually buttons without
> looking like them. Nothing subtle or sophisticated about it at all.
>
> If anyone can point me to a better theme I'll be grateful.
You could try the following:
http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/ocd-plasma5-theme?content=175772
I am not fully convinced, but then again, I quite like "Breeze Dark" with
"Air" so far. But still looking for a really nice one. (My design skills are
non-existent)
--
Joost
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable
2016-04-11 11:17 ` J. Roeleveld
@ 2016-04-11 18:15 ` Mick
2016-04-11 20:34 ` Alan McKinnon
0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2016-04-11 18:15 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Monday 11 Apr 2016 13:17:05 J. Roeleveld wrote:
> On Monday, April 11, 2016 11:34:03 AM Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Saturday 09 April 2016 11:12:51 Mick wrote:
> > > I noticed today that Plasma 5 is now stable, which means I will soon
> > > have
> > > to deal with it.
> >
> > I saw that too, and it cast a gloom over the rest of my day. I intend to
> > stick with KDE-4 until some more sensible themes become available in
> > Plasma
> > 5, so I hope someone will be keeping an archive of KDE-4 somewhere, as in
> > the earlier case of KDE 3 -> 4.
> >
> > Last time I searched for Plasma 5 themes (or design methods, in case I
> > might be able to create my own) I came up empty handed. My objection to
> > the available one is that it's just ugly: acres of wasted space
> > everywhere, and great blocks of solid colour, some of which are actually
> > buttons without looking like them. Nothing subtle or sophisticated about
> > it at all.
> >
> > If anyone can point me to a better theme I'll be grateful.
>
> You could try the following:
> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/ocd-plasma5-theme?content=175772
>
> I am not fully convinced, but then again, I quite like "Breeze Dark" with
> "Air" so far. But still looking for a really nice one. (My design skills are
> non-existent)
>
> --
> Joost
It's all a bit flat and boring, at least for a desktop. However, I wouldn't
be surprised if the target audience is MSWindows users with Surface tablets.
What other reason would KDE devs have to imitate the aesthetic shift from
Windows 7 to Windows 10?
--
Regards,
Mick
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable
2016-04-11 18:15 ` Mick
@ 2016-04-11 20:34 ` Alan McKinnon
2016-04-11 20:52 ` Mick
0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2016-04-11 20:34 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 11/04/2016 20:15, Mick wrote:
> On Monday 11 Apr 2016 13:17:05 J. Roeleveld wrote:
>> On Monday, April 11, 2016 11:34:03 AM Peter Humphrey wrote:
>>> On Saturday 09 April 2016 11:12:51 Mick wrote:
>>>> I noticed today that Plasma 5 is now stable, which means I will soon
>>>> have
>>>> to deal with it.
>>>
>>> I saw that too, and it cast a gloom over the rest of my day. I intend to
>>> stick with KDE-4 until some more sensible themes become available in
>>> Plasma
>>> 5, so I hope someone will be keeping an archive of KDE-4 somewhere, as in
>>> the earlier case of KDE 3 -> 4.
>>>
>>> Last time I searched for Plasma 5 themes (or design methods, in case I
>>> might be able to create my own) I came up empty handed. My objection to
>>> the available one is that it's just ugly: acres of wasted space
>>> everywhere, and great blocks of solid colour, some of which are actually
>>> buttons without looking like them. Nothing subtle or sophisticated about
>>> it at all.
>>>
>>> If anyone can point me to a better theme I'll be grateful.
>>
>> You could try the following:
>> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/ocd-plasma5-theme?content=175772
>>
>> I am not fully convinced, but then again, I quite like "Breeze Dark" with
>> "Air" so far. But still looking for a really nice one. (My design skills are
>> non-existent)
>>
>> --
>> Joost
>
> It's all a bit flat and boring, at least for a desktop. However, I wouldn't
> be surprised if the target audience is MSWindows users with Surface tablets.
> What other reason would KDE devs have to imitate the aesthetic shift from
> Windows 7 to Windows 10?
>
Or maybe it's just fashion, like garments and shoes.
--
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
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* Re: [gentoo-user] KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable
2016-04-11 20:34 ` Alan McKinnon
@ 2016-04-11 20:52 ` Mick
0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread
From: Mick @ 2016-04-11 20:52 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Monday 11 Apr 2016 22:34:04 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 11/04/2016 20:15, Mick wrote:
> > On Monday 11 Apr 2016 13:17:05 J. Roeleveld wrote:
> >> On Monday, April 11, 2016 11:34:03 AM Peter Humphrey wrote:
> >>> On Saturday 09 April 2016 11:12:51 Mick wrote:
> >>>> I noticed today that Plasma 5 is now stable, which means I will soon
> >>>> have
> >>>> to deal with it.
> >>>
> >>> I saw that too, and it cast a gloom over the rest of my day. I intend to
> >>> stick with KDE-4 until some more sensible themes become available in
> >>> Plasma
> >>> 5, so I hope someone will be keeping an archive of KDE-4 somewhere, as
> >>> in
> >>> the earlier case of KDE 3 -> 4.
> >>>
> >>> Last time I searched for Plasma 5 themes (or design methods, in case I
> >>> might be able to create my own) I came up empty handed. My objection to
> >>> the available one is that it's just ugly: acres of wasted space
> >>> everywhere, and great blocks of solid colour, some of which are actually
> >>> buttons without looking like them. Nothing subtle or sophisticated about
> >>> it at all.
> >>>
> >>> If anyone can point me to a better theme I'll be grateful.
> >>
> >> You could try the following:
> >> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/ocd-plasma5-theme?content=175772
> >>
> >> I am not fully convinced, but then again, I quite like "Breeze Dark" with
> >> "Air" so far. But still looking for a really nice one. (My design skills
> >> are non-existent)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Joost
> >
> > It's all a bit flat and boring, at least for a desktop. However, I
> > wouldn't be surprised if the target audience is MSWindows users with
> > Surface tablets. What other reason would KDE devs have to imitate the
> > aesthetic shift from Windows 7 to Windows 10?
>
> Or maybe it's just fashion, like garments and shoes.
Yes! I noticed that soon after KDE4 started having a blue shade on its window
borders, so did e17. Perhaps coding and innovation in creative design don't
go hand in hand. :p
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Regards,
Mick
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* [gentoo-user] Re: KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable
2016-04-11 10:34 ` Peter Humphrey
2016-04-11 11:17 ` J. Roeleveld
@ 2016-04-11 18:35 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2016-04-14 18:37 ` Michael Palimaka
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From: Nikos Chantziaras @ 2016-04-11 18:35 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 11/04/16 13:34, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> I saw that too, and it cast a gloom over the rest of my day. I intend to stick
> with KDE-4 until some more sensible themes become available in Plasma 5
The KDE 4 themes are still included. (Oxygen and Air.) Breeze is the
default though.
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* [gentoo-user] Re: KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable
2016-04-11 10:34 ` Peter Humphrey
2016-04-11 11:17 ` J. Roeleveld
2016-04-11 18:35 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
@ 2016-04-14 18:37 ` Michael Palimaka
2016-04-14 22:10 ` Frank Steinmetzger
2 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Michael Palimaka @ 2016-04-14 18:37 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Hi Peter,
On 11/04/16 20:34, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Saturday 09 April 2016 11:12:51 Mick wrote:
>> I noticed today that Plasma 5 is now stable, which means I will soon have
>> to deal with it.
>
> I saw that too, and it cast a gloom over the rest of my day. I intend to stick
> with KDE-4 until some more sensible themes become available in Plasma 5, so I
> hope someone will be keeping an archive of KDE-4 somewhere, as in the earlier
> case of KDE 3 -> 4.
While both Plasma 4 and even Qt 4 are end-of-life upstream, I don't
think they're going anywhere quite yet. There's no pressing need to
remove it yet, and there's still a long way to go in terms of porting in
the Qt ecosystem in general.
When it is eventually removed, I also don't see any reason why Qt 4 and
KDE 4 can't go to the kde-sunset overlay along with 3.
Kind regards,
Michael
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable
2016-04-14 18:37 ` Michael Palimaka
@ 2016-04-14 22:10 ` Frank Steinmetzger
2016-04-15 13:00 ` Nikos Chantziaras
0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Frank Steinmetzger @ 2016-04-14 22:10 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Fri, Apr 15, 2016 at 04:37:05AM +1000, Michael Palimaka wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> On 11/04/16 20:34, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Saturday 09 April 2016 11:12:51 Mick wrote:
> >> I noticed today that Plasma 5 is now stable, which means I will soon have
> >> to deal with it.
> >
> > I saw that too, and it cast a gloom over the rest of my day. I intend to stick
> > with KDE-4 until some more sensible themes become available in Plasma 5, so I
> > hope someone will be keeping an archive of KDE-4 somewhere, as in the earlier
> > case of KDE 3 -> 4.
>
> While both Plasma 4 and even Qt 4 are end-of-life upstream, I don't
> think they're going anywhere quite yet. There's no pressing need to
> remove it yet, and there's still a long way to go in terms of porting in
> the Qt ecosystem in general.
>
> When it is eventually removed, I also don't see any reason why Qt 4 and
> KDE 4 can't go to the kde-sunset overlay along with 3.
What I loved about Gentoo in the olden days was that it was one of the very
few distros that still kept KDE3 in its normal repos for a long time, while
many other popular binary distros jumped on the band wagon as early as 4.1,
when it was barely usable and full of trivial bugs.
We even had the choice of installing both KDE3 and 4 at the same time. That
made transition far easier and it allowed me to get settled in due time. So
I'm not particularly worried about the next few months, especially with the
modularity and interchangeability of today's KDE components.
Thank you for that, devs and maintainers. Good night.
--
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* [gentoo-user] Re: KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable
2016-04-14 22:10 ` Frank Steinmetzger
@ 2016-04-15 13:00 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2016-04-15 13:06 ` Alan McKinnon
0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Nikos Chantziaras @ 2016-04-15 13:00 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 15/04/16 01:10, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> We even had the choice of installing both KDE3 and 4 at the same time. That
> made transition far easier and it allowed me to get settled in due time. So
> I'm not particularly worried about the next few months, especially with the
> modularity and interchangeability of today's KDE components.
You cannot install KDE5 without uninstalling KDE4.
I was told this is an upstream decision, not Gentoo's fault.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable
2016-04-15 13:00 ` Nikos Chantziaras
@ 2016-04-15 13:06 ` Alan McKinnon
2016-04-15 13:09 ` Nikos Chantziaras
0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2016-04-15 13:06 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 15/04/2016 15:00, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 15/04/16 01:10, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
>> We even had the choice of installing both KDE3 and 4 at the same time.
>> That
>> made transition far easier and it allowed me to get settled in due
>> time. So
>> I'm not particularly worried about the next few months, especially
>> with the
>> modularity and interchangeability of today's KDE components.
>
> You cannot install KDE5 without uninstalling KDE4.
>
> I was told this is an upstream decision, not Gentoo's fault.
>
>
Partially true.
It's plasma 4 and 5 that cannot co-exist, not KDE
--
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
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* [gentoo-user] Re: KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable
2016-04-15 13:06 ` Alan McKinnon
@ 2016-04-15 13:09 ` Nikos Chantziaras
2016-04-15 13:18 ` Alan McKinnon
0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Nikos Chantziaras @ 2016-04-15 13:09 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 15/04/16 16:06, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 15/04/2016 15:00, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> On 15/04/16 01:10, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
>>> We even had the choice of installing both KDE3 and 4 at the same time.
>>> That
>>> made transition far easier and it allowed me to get settled in due
>>> time. So
>>> I'm not particularly worried about the next few months, especially
>>> with the
>>> modularity and interchangeability of today's KDE components.
>>
>> You cannot install KDE5 without uninstalling KDE4.
>>
>> I was told this is an upstream decision, not Gentoo's fault.
>>
>
> Partially true.
>
> It's plasma 4 and 5 that cannot co-exist, not KDE
Yeah, KDE. ;-)
I mean common, when people say KDE, they mean the desktop, not kcalc or
koffice or kmail.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable
2016-04-15 13:09 ` Nikos Chantziaras
@ 2016-04-15 13:18 ` Alan McKinnon
2016-04-15 15:23 ` »Q«
0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2016-04-15 13:18 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 15/04/2016 15:09, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 15/04/16 16:06, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>> On 15/04/2016 15:00, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>>> On 15/04/16 01:10, Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
>>>> We even had the choice of installing both KDE3 and 4 at the same time.
>>>> That
>>>> made transition far easier and it allowed me to get settled in due
>>>> time. So
>>>> I'm not particularly worried about the next few months, especially
>>>> with the
>>>> modularity and interchangeability of today's KDE components.
>>>
>>> You cannot install KDE5 without uninstalling KDE4.
>>>
>>> I was told this is an upstream decision, not Gentoo's fault.
>>>
>>
>> Partially true.
>>
>> It's plasma 4 and 5 that cannot co-exist, not KDE
>
> Yeah, KDE. ;-)
>
> I mean common, when people say KDE, they mean the desktop, not kcalc or
> koffice or kmail.
hmmmm, not convinced, "you know what I mean" doesn't cut it. This list
is largely populated with high-clue people who understand the meaning of
words and know that plasma != KDE
Around here, KDE usually means kde-apps and plasma means plasma.
We also know that firefox is not gekco and all sorts of other "you know
what I actually mean" opportunities to trip up
--
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
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* [gentoo-user] Re: KDE Plasma 5 moved to stable
2016-04-15 13:18 ` Alan McKinnon
@ 2016-04-15 15:23 ` »Q«
0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread
From: »Q« @ 2016-04-15 15:23 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 15:18:53 +0200
Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> hmmmm, not convinced, "you know what I mean" doesn't cut it. This list
> is largely populated with high-clue people who understand the meaning
> of words and know that plasma != KDE
>
> Around here, KDE usually means kde-apps and plasma means plasma.
> We also know that firefox is not gekco and all sorts of other "you
> know what I actually mean" opportunities to trip up
+1
Until version 5, KDE was fairly monolithic (though the the Gentoo devs
always did a nice job of breaking it up so that it didn't seem that
way). With the restructuring of the KDE project across the board, I
think it's important to distinguish between Frameworks, Plasma, and
Applications. If anyone just says "KDE 5", I think they mean all of it.
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