[gentoo-user] Experiences with gtk3-nocsd?

[gentoo-user] Experiences with gtk3-nocsd?

[Grant Edwards]

I'm sick and tired of the Gnome "CSD" nonsense which appears to be a
concerted effort to break gtk+ apps on all desktops other than very
specific configurations of Gnome desktops.  To the Gnome developer's
credit, they seem to have been quite successful in that effort.

I've been trying to figure out how to disable the CSD breakage and
restore the ability to do normal window-manager stuff with gtk3 apps.
I have come across gtk3-nocsd:

  https://github.com/PCMan/gtk3-nocsd
  http://www.webupd8.org/2014/08/how-to-disable-gtk3-client-side.html
  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=788076

It looks like I would have to downgrade gtk+ from 3.16 to 3.14 in
order to use it.  Has anybody tried it?

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[gentoo-user] Re: Experiences with gtk3-nocsd?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2015-09-29, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm sick and tired of the Gnome "CSD" nonsense which appears to be a
> concerted effort to break gtk+ apps on all desktops other than very
> specific configurations of Gnome desktops.  To the Gnome developer's
> credit, they seem to have been quite successful in that effort.

The app that's causing all the pain is evince (if I could abandon
acroread, I wouldn't need elevety-hundred packages built with 32-bit
support).  I just found atril, which is more-or-less a fork of evince
sans all all the gtk3/Gnome CSD BS.  For now, I think I'll just ditch
evince.

No if only there was "print current view" option in atril....

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[gentoo-user] Re: Experiences with gtk3-nocsd?

[walt]

On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 16:09:00 +0000 (UTC)
Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2015-09-29, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'm sick and tired of the Gnome "CSD" nonsense which appears to be a
> > concerted effort to break gtk+ apps on all desktops other than very
> > specific configurations of Gnome desktops.  To the Gnome developer's
> > credit, they seem to have been quite successful in that effort.  

+1

> The app that's causing all the pain is evince (if I could abandon
> acroread, I wouldn't need elevety-hundred packages built with 32-bit
> support).

+1

>  I just found atril, which is more-or-less a fork of evince
> sans all all the gtk3/Gnome CSD BS.  For now, I think I'll just ditch
> evince.

+1

> 
> Now if only there was "print current view" option in atril....
> 

When I click on the "File" drop-down menu (top-left corner of the atril
window) and choose the "Print" item, I get a pop-up dialog widget that
lets me configure a bunch of settings before the document is sent to
the printer.  Included in those settings is "Print current page" (as
opposed to "Print all", or I can type in the page numbers to print).

I get exactly the same pop-up "Print" widget whether I'm printing from
atril, web browser, libreoffice,  or this email client (claws).

I've been seeing the same print widget for so many years I stopped
wondering which package installs it, but it's not part of any app that
lets me print things.  I think it's part of the gnome/mate/xfce/lxde
family of desktops because I use all of those and the printer widget is
always the same.  Must be a gtk thing because all of those desktops
install the same gtk infrastructure.

Can anyone else enlighten us on the printer widget I'm describing?

[gentoo-user] Re: Experiences with gtk3-nocsd?

[Jonathan Callen]

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On 09/29/2015 08:47 PM, walt wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 16:09:00 +0000 (UTC) Grant Edwards 
> <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2015-09-29, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm sick and tired of the Gnome "CSD" nonsense which appears
>>> to be a concerted effort to break gtk+ apps on all desktops
>>> other than very specific configurations of Gnome desktops.  To
>>> the Gnome developer's credit, they seem to have been quite 
>>> successful in that effort.
> 
> +1
> 
>> The app that's causing all the pain is evince (if I could abandon
>> acroread, I wouldn't need elevety-hundred packages built with
>> 32-bit support).
> 
> +1
> 
>> I just found atril, which is more-or-less a fork of evince sans 
>> all all the gtk3/Gnome CSD BS.  For now, I think I'll just ditch
>>  evince.
> 
> +1
> 
>> 
>> Now if only there was "print current view" option in atril....
>> 
> 
> When I click on the "File" drop-down menu (top-left corner of the 
> atril window) and choose the "Print" item, I get a pop-up dialog 
> widget that lets me configure a bunch of settings before the 
> document is sent to the printer.  Included in those settings is 
> "Print current page" (as opposed to "Print all", or I can type in 
> the page numbers to print).
> 
> I get exactly the same pop-up "Print" widget whether I'm printing 
> from atril, web browser, libreoffice,  or this email client 
> (claws).
> 
> I've been seeing the same print widget for so many years I stopped
>  wondering which package installs it, but it's not part of any app 
> that lets me print things.  I think it's part of the 
> gnome/mate/xfce/lxde family of desktops because I use all of those 
> and the printer widget is always the same.  Must be a gtk thing 
> because all of those desktops install the same gtk infrastructure.
> 
> Can anyone else enlighten us on the printer widget I'm describing?
> 
> 

The printer widget in question is part of GTK+ itself, generally
launched via a GtkPrintOperation object.

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Jonathan Callen

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[gentoo-user] Re: Experiences with gtk3-nocsd?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2015-09-30, walt <w41ter@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Sep 2015 16:09:00 +0000 (UTC)
> Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-09-29, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > I'm sick and tired of the Gnome "CSD" nonsense which appears to be a
>> > concerted effort to break gtk+ apps on all desktops other than very
>> > specific configurations of Gnome desktops.  To the Gnome developer's
>> > credit, they seem to have been quite successful in that effort.  
>
> +1
>
>> The app that's causing all the pain is evince (if I could abandon
>> acroread, I wouldn't need elevety-hundred packages built with 32-bit
>> support).
>
> +1
>
>> I just found atril, which is more-or-less a fork of evince
>> sans all all the gtk3/Gnome CSD BS.  For now, I think I'll just ditch
>> evince.
>
> +1
>
>> Now if only there was "print current view" option in atril....
>
> When I click on the "File" drop-down menu (top-left corner of the atril
> window) and choose the "Print" item, I get a pop-up dialog widget that
> lets me configure a bunch of settings before the document is sent to
> the printer.  Included in those settings is "Print current page" (as
> opposed to "Print all", or I can type in the page numbers to print).
>
> I get exactly the same pop-up "Print" widget whether I'm printing from
> atril, web browser, libreoffice,  or this email client (claws).

Yep, it's part of the GTK toolkit, so if atril maintainers wanted to
add a "print current view" option (so that I could ditch acroread),
I'm guessing it would be a fair bit of work: they'd probably have to
roll their own printer dialog from scratch instead of using the canned
one. :/

[Actually, I don't recall ever using evince or atril for filling out
PDF forms -- so that might be another reason I'd have to keep acroread
around.]

--
Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Experiences with gtk3-nocsd?

[Chris Spackman]

On 2015/09/30 at 04:27am, Grant Edwards wrote:

 
> [Actually, I don't recall ever using evince or atril for filling out
> PDF forms -- so that might be another reason I'd have to keep
> acroread around.]

If you are okay with KDE apps, Okular has done a great job with all
the forms I have tried with it. Only issue I have noticed is that
check marks (which show up fine on the screen) end up printed as
another character. Still better than dealing with acroread, in my
opinion.

-- 
Chris Spackman

GNU Terry Pratchett

[gentoo-user] Re: Experiences with gtk3-nocsd?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2015-09-30, Chris Spackman <chris@osugisakae.com> wrote:
> On 2015/09/30 at 04:27am, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>  
>> [Actually, I don't recall ever using evince or atril for filling out
>> PDF forms -- so that might be another reason I'd have to keep
>> acroread around.]
>
> If you are okay with KDE apps, Okular has done a great job with all
> the forms I have tried with it. Only issue I have noticed is that
> check marks (which show up fine on the screen) end up printed as
> another character. Still better than dealing with acroread, in my
> opinion.

At the moment I don't have KDE libs installed, but I have in the past
used a few.  A few years ago, the whole KDE libs thing turned into a
bit of a nightmare at one point due to change in revision handling or
backwards compatibility libs or something.  I needed to get on with
life, so I just uninstalled all of the KDE stuff.  I man consider
trying again...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Experiences with gtk3-nocsd?

[Alan McKinnon]

On 30/09/2015 16:08, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2015-09-30, Chris Spackman <chris@osugisakae.com> wrote:
>> On 2015/09/30 at 04:27am, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> [Actually, I don't recall ever using evince or atril for filling out
>>> PDF forms -- so that might be another reason I'd have to keep
>>> acroread around.]
>>
>> If you are okay with KDE apps, Okular has done a great job with all
>> the forms I have tried with it. Only issue I have noticed is that
>> check marks (which show up fine on the screen) end up printed as
>> another character. Still better than dealing with acroread, in my
>> opinion.
> 
> At the moment I don't have KDE libs installed, but I have in the past
> used a few.  A few years ago, the whole KDE libs thing turned into a
> bit of a nightmare at one point due to change in revision handling or
> backwards compatibility libs or something.  I needed to get on with
> life, so I just uninstalled all of the KDE stuff.  I man consider
> trying again...
> 


Ahhhhh, you might want to hold off on KDE for a while longer. Many
things in KDE are in transition at the moment with upstream now moving
to Frameworks 5 and Plasma 5, with most apps still stuck on 4

Okular is one of those very much still at 4 so if that's the only KDE
app you'll use, it might be a smooth install. For now.




-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Experiences with gtk3-nocsd?

[Peter Weilbacher]

On Wed, 30 Sep 2015, Grant Edwards wrote:

> [Actually, I don't recall ever using evince or atril for filling out
> PDF forms -- so that might be another reason I'd have to keep acroread
> around.]

In my experience, at least evince is great with forms! Since that's
provided by the same backend library (I think), atril should be able to
handle them nicely as well. [The only reason to keep acrobat around are
some documents with PDF comments filled out by people on Macs. evince
does not always show all of those.]

   Peter.

[gentoo-user] Re: Experiences with gtk3-nocsd?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2015-09-30, Peter Weilbacher <newsspam@Weilbacher.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2015, Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> [Actually, I don't recall ever using evince or atril for filling out
>> PDF forms -- so that might be another reason I'd have to keep acroread
>> around.]
>
> In my experience, at least evince is great with forms! Since that's
> provided by the same backend library (I think), atril should be able to
> handle them nicely as well.

That's good to hear.  I do remember recently firing up acroread to
fill out a form when my first attempt failed, but that failed attempt
may have been with PDFStudio (which doesn't execute Javascript by
default, and apparently some forms require Javascript).

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