From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DCD51389E2 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 07:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6365EE0970; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 07:09:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 320A0E08D5 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 07:09:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F21340446 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 07:09:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.767 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.767 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.055, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mLQI_Vk-vo5Q for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 07:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E8A2F34028A for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 07:09:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xuc9d-0002L4-Om for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 08:09:17 +0100 Received: from biff2.math.uni-rostock.de ([139.30.30.69]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 08:09:17 +0100 Received: from martin by biff2.math.uni-rostock.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2014 08:09:17 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Martin Vaeth Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's future directtion ? Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 07:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <5470D229.7000806@tampabay.rr.com> <54760E01.2050508@gentoo.org> <54764D1E.1080201@xunil.at> <54768398.60701@yourstruly.sx> <547689B4.6010606@yourstruly.sx> <5476A3B1.1050403@gentoo.org> <5478A482.2030203@gentoo.org> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: biff2.math.uni-rostock.de User-Agent: slrn/1.0.1 (Linux) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Archives-Salt: 864a21f7-2d3d-4768-aa51-79acdda496a5 X-Archives-Hash: 271fcdadcdce76cd2a21c14128735e2f hasufell wrote: > Martin Vaeth: >> hasufell wrote: >>>> With rsync I believe you can exclude categories: >>>> http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/TIP_Exclude_categories_from_emerge_sync >>> >>> That is uninformed. >> >> I think he is right. >> >>> check the --depth option of git. You can even clone specific tags with >>> --depth=1. >> >> Every tag will still contain all categories: >> AFAIK, with git, it is not possible to update everyting but e.g. *access* >> *kde* *i10n* *gnome* if you know that you will never install an >> ebuild from these categories. > > My max DL rate is ~700KiB/s and is the limiting factor. My concern is not the time but the total volume (there are still often limitations involved), and perhaps even more important, the disk usage, especially compared with methods like squashfs(+aufs). It simply is a fact that with git you have to download and store a lot of unnecessary information (if you are not a developer and do not use a heavy system): not only git metadata but also unneeded categories. So for non-developers, downloading with git does not necessarily make sense. That being said, please do not consider this as an argument against a change to git: For developers it has only advantages, and AFAIK, it is not planned to cancel other download methods anyway.