From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E5A1389E2 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5992FE087C; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42B4EE0866 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:12:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6BB34046D for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:12:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.024 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.024 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-0.466, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=1.2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9mF5J44-gsxe for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FFC4340497 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XtOLT-0000Pn-QG for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:12:27 +0100 Received: from 67-130-15-94.dia.static.qwest.net ([67.130.15.94]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:12:27 +0100 Received: from grant.b.edwards by 67-130-15-94.dia.static.qwest.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:12:27 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Grant Edwards Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: The future of linux, and Gentoo specifically now Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 22:12:16 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <546EE70C.2050506@yourstruly.sx> <54721CEC.1020902@libertytrek.org> <20141123180055.GC2139@vidovic.ultras.lan> <547228FC.6080703@libertytrek.org> <547242A3.30403@libertytrek.org> <54724FD3.1040202@gmail.com> <5474DDAA.6020707@gmail.com> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 67-130-15-94.dia.static.qwest.net User-Agent: slrn/1.0.1 (Linux) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Archives-Salt: aec0c8b6-1d7c-4b51-ba06-a46579b76059 X-Archives-Hash: 013284ffaede9cf245fd02619517d799 On 2014-11-25, Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 25/11/2014 18:35, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2014-11-23, Alan McKinnon wrote: >> >>> There is only the one that portage will happen to install should you not >>> specify a preference. >> >> If "default" doesn't mean "what will happen should you not specify a >> preference", then what _does_ "default" mean? > > Please go back and read the whole thread and stop quibbling about > semantics. I read the whole thread, and I still didn't understand your statement that there is no default init system. > The OP made statements that read as if he felt entitled to support, > bugfixes etc from the gentoo dev community by simple virtue of a > particular package being considered a default. I pointed out he was > expecting far in excess of what was promised. That's fine, and I agree 100% But that's got nothing to do with whether Openrc is the default init system or not? It _is_ the default init system. Whether that means all packages are required to support it or not is a different question (about which the OP seemed to be mistaken). If what you meant was that packages are not required to support the default init system, then, I don't understand how that is spelled "there is no default init system". I honestly didn't understand why you said there was no default init system, when there clearly is. I _did_ understand that not all packages are required to support the default init system (which is Openrc). That didn't appear to be what you were claiming. Were it true that there was no default init system, then you would have _no_ init system unless you explicitly installed one yourself (which is the case for countless other things like a system logger, bootloader, windowing system, desktop, photo editor, etc.). For those things there is no default. There is a default init system. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! GOOD-NIGHT, everybody at ... Now I have to go gmail.com administer FIRST-AID to my pet LEISURE SUIT!!