From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6065138350 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 07:42:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 09C31E0ABD; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 07:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from covici.com (debian-2.covici.com [166.84.7.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A557E0A8C for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 07:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (ccs.covici.com [70.109.53.110]) (authenticated bits=0) by covici.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-14~deb10u1) with ESMTPSA id 03M7g6qs001113 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 03:42:07 -0400 Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 03M7fwBc260425 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 03:41:58 -0400 Received: (from covici@localhost) by ccs.covici.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 03M7fwLc260424; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 03:41:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 03:41:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: John Covici To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead? In-Reply-To: References: <20200421165803.GB187193@redacted> <20200421183317.GC187193@redacted> <877dy8isdu.fsf@wedjat.horus-it.com> <20200421190035.GE187193@redacted> <8ca01aef-6df7-f4cb-7e37-5459a1009fbd@gmail.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/26 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Organization: Covici Computer Systems Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 6eebaff8-1294-4b61-8af1-739a7884d005 X-Archives-Hash: 4175587f881aa0b942c67729339f8631 On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 22:55:54 -0400, Dale wrote: >=20 > [1 ] > Rich Freeman wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 9:49 PM Dale wrote: > >> Then they created moderators with people to enforce some rules. It go= t better. Actually, a lot better. > > That is actually really good to hear. The whole CoC/Proctors thing > > has been a bit of a mess and incredibly contentious. It has also been > > mostly inactive, in part because for the most part these threads have > > actually done a pretty good job of moderating themselves. Maybe it is > > because people fear moderation. Maybe it is because nobody really > > wants to have to see us have to deal with it. Bugs get filed asking > > for moderation, and maybe that is all it takes for the parties > > involved to decide to cool things down. > > > > As much as some seem to think otherwise, the reality is that most of > > the Proctors really don't like kicking that hornets nest. In any case > > all Proctors actions are completely public in bugzilla so anybody can > > see for themselves. If you don't see much it is because there isn't > > actually much to see... > > >=20 > I admit, I don't monitor what they do much but I've seen a huge > improvement.=A0 I moderated a political site for a few years.=A0 Still ha= ve > access but health and life takes up a lot of time.=A0 I always referred to > it as herding cats.=A0 You can herd up pretty much any animal, cows, pigs, > sheep and the list goes on but herding cats is a tough thing to > accomplish.=A0 After being a moderator that has to deal with things that > can be opinion with no one in the right or wrong, I know first hand how > difficult and thankless the job can be.=A0 Still, without it, it gets bad > pretty fast.=A0 I didn't like doing timeouts, banning and such either.=A0 > Thing is, when it needed doing, I did it.=A0 I was the lead moderator for > a good long while.=A0 >=20 > I think instead of dying, Gentoo is stronger even if it involves fewer > people.=A0 Sure, there is packages that need some attention but if they > are in demand, usually someone steps up and gives them the attention > they need to get back up to date. I'm not sure why people keep thinking > Gentoo is dying.=A0 Sometimes I think it is more about the difference > between binary distros they are coming from and Gentoo being source > based than Gentoo actually dying.=A0 When people consider switching to > Gentoo, it's different from what they expect.=A0 They may need to research > what Gentoo is first.=A0 Gentoo certainly doesn't hold a persons hand > during the install or even after the install.=A0 Heck, I been around a > long time and it doesn't hold my hand even today.=A0 >=20 > Compared to the bad times, -dev is like heaven today.=A0 It was beyond > words to describe during its worst days. >=20 I am seeing a lot more unmaintained packages -- at least in the ones I have -- than there used to be and bugs going unanswered probably because of that. Not sure what to do about it, I don't have time to get into doing this much, just keeping up with world updates is quite time consuming all by itself. --=20 Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com