From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21066138350 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2FEF1E0CAF; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:15:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from covici.com (debian-2.covici.com [166.84.7.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D47A4E0C63 for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (ccs.covici.com [70.109.53.110]) (authenticated bits=0) by covici.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-14~deb10u1) with ESMTPSA id 03MCFiFR006122 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 08:15:46 -0400 Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 03MCFbVb557451 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 08:15:37 -0400 Received: (from covici@localhost) by ccs.covici.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 03MCFb9Y557450; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 08:15:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 08:15:37 -0400 Message-ID: From: John Covici To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo dead? In-Reply-To: References: <20200421165803.GB187193@redacted> <20200421183317.GC187193@redacted> <877dy8isdu.fsf@wedjat.horus-it.com> <20200421190035.GE187193@redacted> <8ca01aef-6df7-f4cb-7e37-5459a1009fbd@gmail.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/26 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Organization: Covici Computer Systems Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 9f217ade-292b-4c41-9205-158ea74abd88 X-Archives-Hash: 9a19f9420e266c2856e9fa4b92431d47 On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 04:15:18 -0400, Dale wrote: >=20 > [1 ] > John Covici wrote: > > > > I am seeing a lot more unmaintained packages -- at least in the ones I > > have -- than there used to be and bugs going unanswered probably > > because of that. Not sure what to do about it, I don't have time to > > get into doing this much, just keeping up with world updates is quite > > time consuming all by itself. > > >=20 >=20 > That may be but the packages that are most used are likely maintained > and well maintained at that.=A0 There are some old packages that haven't > been updated in years, upstream is dead or no one uses them much anymore > that are slowly being removed.=A0 If one can't install them, no real point > in them being in the tree.=A0 I might add, the switch from the much older > pythons are really forcing a house cleaning.=A0 But, some packages are > just out of date and something new has taken their place.=A0 Nothing new > there.=A0 I'm sure this happens with every distro out there, even the paid > ones. >=20 > I follow -dev and have recently had to uninstall a package and install > something else that is newer and more up to date.=A0 I saw a message about > that old package that seemed to stop working for me a good while ago.=A0 > What I had still lurking about would sometimes crash and I didn't trust > it.=A0 I used to use that as a GUI to manage LVM.=A0 I use LVM a lot here= .=A0 > In that message was them removing the old package and recommending a > replacement I never heard of.=A0 I installed it and it may actually be > better than the old software I used to use.=A0 While the old package may > be gone, the new one seems to be more up to date, stable and appears to > have a better design.=A0 Different for sure, I'll have to learn how the > GUI does its thing but could be better in the end. Since LVM has been > updated a good bit in the past year or so, that old software either > needed a lot of work or just use the newer software. >=20 > There are a lot of packages that are just not used by enough people to > maintain them anymore.=A0 Some are being replaced with more up to date > packages.=A0 There are lots of reasons for that.=A0 If a package you use = is > being removed, search -dev and look to see if there is a replacement > mentioned in the last rites message.=A0 If it was removed, they almost > always include a replacement if there is one.=A0 Sometimes another package > absorbs what the old package used to do. While at times -dev can get > quite busy, I'd be lost without it.=A0 Things are mentioned there about > upcoming changes that I don't see mentioned anywhere else.=A0 That > includes this list as well.=A0 It's a great way to keep somewhat up to > date on what's going on.=A0 One doesn't have to read every post either.=A0 > After a while, you can tell by the subject line if that thread will be > anything you would be interested in.=A0 Last rites, things about upgrades > and such get my attention.=A0 I generally know when something big is going > to happen weeks or even months before it hits the tree. >=20 > If you want to share what packages you are missing out on, I'd be glad > to search my -dev archives and see if I can find something that may help.= =A0 Well, teamviewer is the worst -- teamviewer 15 won't emerge because it will overwrite files belonging to the previous version (!da). Someone even slotted the thing, but still no joy. I filed a bug, but no response. Also, although I don't think there is a new version, but sendmail seens to be unmaintained. Also, ant-core -- there is a bug against that, but no fix as yet. --=20 Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@ccs.covici.com