From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E4313838B for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 573A2E096B; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A202E095E for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D4D3402B2 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:19:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.627 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.627 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.476, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=1.2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.651, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s6_9OsEv92ZI for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF0B134024D for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XUhEM-0001ey-3D for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 21:19:02 +0200 Received: from dsl.comtrol.com ([64.122.56.22]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 21:19:02 +0200 Received: from grant.b.edwards by dsl.comtrol.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 21:19:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: Grant Edwards Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <541A235F.4020106@alectenharmsel.com> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dsl.comtrol.com User-Agent: slrn/1.0.1 (Linux) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Archives-Salt: 5e75cbdb-3256-4eaf-a27b-01b46c5fa391 X-Archives-Hash: 2d5198d3c87155927af147f2a2481fab On 2014-09-18, Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: > Mark David Dumlao wrote: >> The code is out there. Freely available. Both systemd and sysvinit. >> If you wanted to measure both, you could, literally, in the time it >> took since you first posted in this thread till now you could have >> measured several times and left mean comments about whichever >> system you hated the most. > > Unfortunately, the systemd guys keep screaming that systemd is faster, > and burden of proof is on the party that's claiming something. It's not > James'/Volker's responsibility to prove that systemd isn't faster. I don't understand all the hoopla about systemd being "faster". Faster at what? Booting? The only Linux systems where I care about boot time are embedded systems which are never going to have the resources needed to run systemd. As for normal desktop machines, who cares? I only reboot them once every month or two (when I'm bored and want to make sure they will still boot up after updates). My laptop(s) get booted a lot more often than desktops, but the boot times have never been an issue. The other thing I keep hearing from systemd proponents is stuff about how it allows you to parallelize startup. I don't _want_ stuff starting up in parallel -- that just makes it all the more difficult to troubleshoot problems. I want things to start up one at a time, in a determined order. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! The FALAFEL SANDWICH at lands on my HEAD and I gmail.com become a VEGETARIAN ...