[gentoo-user] The war continues.

[gentoo-user] The war continues.

[Alan Grimes]

My effort to update my syestem continues unabated. =\

One problem is that every time revdep-rebuild is run, it always rebuilds
all of libreoffice, an 8-hour build. WTF, seriously, WTF?

I made the mistake of syncing portage again and was thrown back into
useflag hell:

I tried to fix it by setting wayland, gles2 and egl to default because
they were breaking other packages.


I don't even know how to read the current error message:

######

tortoise ~ # ./pretendupdate

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!

!!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been pulled
!!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict:

media-libs/mesa:0

  (media-libs/mesa-11.1.2-r1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
pulled in by
    (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot)

  (media-libs/mesa-11.1.2-r1:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
    media-libs/mesa[egl,gbm,gles2?,wayland] required by
(kde-plasma/kwin-5.5.5:5/5::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
                                  
^^^^^^^                                                                                                                


It might be possible to solve this slot collision
by applying all of the following changes:
   - media-libs/mesa-11.1.2-r1 (Change USE: +wayland +gles2)


!!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "app-text/asciidoc" has unmet
requirements.
- app-text/asciidoc-8.6.9-r2::gentoo USE="graphviz -examples -highlight
-test" ABI_X86="64" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="-pypy -python2_7"
PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 -pypy"

  The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
    exactly-one-of ( python_single_target_pypy
python_single_target_python2_7 )

  The above constraints are a subset of the following complete expression:
    exactly-one-of ( python_single_target_pypy
python_single_target_python2_7 ) python_single_target_pypy? (
python_targets_pypy ) python_single_target_python2_7? (
python_targets_python2_7 )

(dependency required by "net-misc/tor-0.2.8.1_alpha::gentoo" [installed])
(dependency required by "@selected" [set])
(dependency required by "@world" [argument])
tortoise ~ #

#####

Current state of mind: put a live hand grenade in to the computer and
walk away.

I've been using Gentoo Every day now for ten years. This is an entirely
New level of bullshit. =(


Modest list of complete and utter FAIL:

####

tortoise portage # tree -L 2
.
├── app-office
│   └── texmacs-1.99.2-r1
├── dev-libs
│   ├── libcdio-0.93
│   └── libcdio-paranoia-0.93_p1
├── dev-qt
│   └── qtwebkit-5.5.1-r1
├── kde-apps
│   └── kdesdk-kioslaves-15.12.2
├── kde-plasma
│   ├── oxygen-5.5.5
│   └── oxygen-fonts-5.4.3
├── media-gfx
│   └── fontforge-20150824
├── media-libs
│   ├── opencv-3.1.0-r2
│   └── x264-0.0.20151011
└── media-video
    └── vcdimager-0.7.24

19 directories, 0 files
tortoise portage #



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Re: [gentoo-user] The war continues.

[William Ernesto Cárdenas Gómez]

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El jue, 17-03-2016 a las 10:55 -0400, Alan Grimes escribió:
> My effort to update my syestem continues unabated. =\
> 
> One problem is that every time revdep-rebuild is run, it always
> rebuilds
> all of libreoffice, an 8-hour build. WTF, seriously, WTF?
> 
> I made the mistake of syncing portage again and was thrown back into
> useflag hell:
> 
> I tried to fix it by setting wayland, gles2 and egl to default
> because
> they were breaking other packages.
> 
> 
> I don't even know how to read the current error message:
> 
> ######
> 
> tortoise ~ # ./pretendupdate
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> 
> !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been
> pulled
> !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict:
> 
> media-libs/mesa:0
> 
>   (media-libs/mesa-11.1.2-r1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
> pulled in by
>     (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot)
> 
>   (media-libs/mesa-11.1.2-r1:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
>     media-libs/mesa[egl,gbm,gles2?,wayland] required by
> (kde-plasma/kwin-5.5.5:5/5::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>                                   
> ^^^^^^^                                                              
>                                                   
> 
> 
> It might be possible to solve this slot collision
> by applying all of the following changes:
>    - media-libs/mesa-11.1.2-r1 (Change USE: +wayland +gles2)
> 
> 
> !!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "app-text/asciidoc" has unmet
> requirements.
> - app-text/asciidoc-8.6.9-r2::gentoo USE="graphviz -examples
> -highlight
> -test" ABI_X86="64" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="-pypy -python2_7"
> PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 -pypy"
> 
>   The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
>     exactly-one-of ( python_single_target_pypy
> python_single_target_python2_7 )
> 
>   The above constraints are a subset of the following complete
> expression:
>     exactly-one-of ( python_single_target_pypy
> python_single_target_python2_7 ) python_single_target_pypy? (
> python_targets_pypy ) python_single_target_python2_7? (
> python_targets_python2_7 )
> 
> (dependency required by "net-misc/tor-0.2.8.1_alpha::gentoo"
> [installed])
> (dependency required by "@selected" [set])
> (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
> tortoise ~ #
> 
> #####
> 
> Current state of mind: put a live hand grenade in to the computer and
> walk away.
> 
> I've been using Gentoo Every day now for ten years. This is an
> entirely
> New level of bullshit. =(
> 
> 
> Modest list of complete and utter FAIL:
> 
> ####
> 
> tortoise portage # tree -L 2
> .
> ├── app-office
> │   └── texmacs-1.99.2-r1
> ├── dev-libs
> │   ├── libcdio-0.93
> │   └── libcdio-paranoia-0.93_p1
> ├── dev-qt
> │   └── qtwebkit-5.5.1-r1
> ├── kde-apps
> │   └── kdesdk-kioslaves-15.12.2
> ├── kde-plasma
> │   ├── oxygen-5.5.5
> │   └── oxygen-fonts-5.4.3
> ├── media-gfx
> │   └── fontforge-20150824
> ├── media-libs
> │   ├── opencv-3.1.0-r2
> │   └── x264-0.0.20151011
> └── media-video
>     └── vcdimager-0.7.24
> 
> 19 directories, 0 files
> tortoise portage #
> 
> 
> 

Maybe you can install libreoffice-bin instead libreoffice package. And
for you wayland problem only needs the gles2 use flag.
About the PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET you should read the portage news.
-- 
William Ernesto Cárdenas Gómez <willecg@openmailbox.org>

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Re: [gentoo-user] The war continues.

[Max R.D. Parmer]

Wow, sounds like you've been having a rough time.

I think if you chunk things up into tiny pieces of logs, and take the
issues on one at a time, you will be able to solve your problems. That
said, if you would like to send us the last month or so of your
emerge.log, we might be able to help focus your efforts.

Until you have everything building cleanly and working as you hoped, I
would avoid doing any new portage syncs just to keep from having an
issue where the set of problems you're looking at might shift
dramatically. This way you can look at the problems one at a time then
eliminate them before new problems come up. Similarly, unless you see a
problem where a program is complaining about not being able to load a
shared object, I would just put off the revdep-rebuild until you've
successfully updated.


It looks like you have two distinct problems in the messages you posted
here, a problem with asciidoc and another with kwin and mesa.

On asciidoc I think a good first step would be setting
PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7" if you haven't already, I see that in
the make.conf you posted at the end of February[1] you have
PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python3_5". Could you give changing
python_single_target a try and report back? I know it will not solve all
your issues, but at least it should reduce the amount of negative
feedback emerge is giving you.

Also, is the script ./pretendupdate something like "emerge --pretend
--verbose --all --newuse @world"?


[1]: https://marc.info/?l=gentoo-user&m=145668323000774&q=p3
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On Thu, Mar 17, 2016, at 08:12, William Ernesto Cárdenas Gómez wrote:
> El jue, 17-03-2016 a las 10:55 -0400, Alan Grimes escribió:
> > My effort to update my syestem continues unabated. =\
> > 
> > One problem is that every time revdep-rebuild is run, it always
> > rebuilds
> > all of libreoffice, an 8-hour build. WTF, seriously, WTF?
> > 
> > I made the mistake of syncing portage again and was thrown back into
> > useflag hell:
> > 
> > I tried to fix it by setting wayland, gles2 and egl to default
> > because
> > they were breaking other packages.
> > 
> > 
> > I don't even know how to read the current error message:
> > 
> > ######
> > 
> > tortoise ~ # ./pretendupdate
> > 
> > These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> > 
> > Calculating dependencies... done!
> > 
> > !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been
> > pulled
> > !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict:
> > 
> > media-libs/mesa:0
> > 
> >   (media-libs/mesa-11.1.2-r1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
> > pulled in by
> >     (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot)
> > 
> >   (media-libs/mesa-11.1.2-r1:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
> >     media-libs/mesa[egl,gbm,gles2?,wayland] required by
> > (kde-plasma/kwin-5.5.5:5/5::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
> >                                   
> > ^^^^^^^                                                              
> >                                                   
> > 
> > 
> > It might be possible to solve this slot collision
> > by applying all of the following changes:
> >    - media-libs/mesa-11.1.2-r1 (Change USE: +wayland +gles2)
> > 
> > 
> > !!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "app-text/asciidoc" has unmet
> > requirements.
> > - app-text/asciidoc-8.6.9-r2::gentoo USE="graphviz -examples
> > -highlight
> > -test" ABI_X86="64" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="-pypy -python2_7"
> > PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 -pypy"
> > 
> >   The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
> >     exactly-one-of ( python_single_target_pypy
> > python_single_target_python2_7 )
> > 
> >   The above constraints are a subset of the following complete
> > expression:
> >     exactly-one-of ( python_single_target_pypy
> > python_single_target_python2_7 ) python_single_target_pypy? (
> > python_targets_pypy ) python_single_target_python2_7? (
> > python_targets_python2_7 )
> > 
> > (dependency required by "net-misc/tor-0.2.8.1_alpha::gentoo"
> > [installed])
> > (dependency required by "@selected" [set])
> > (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
> > tortoise ~ #
> > 
> > #####
> > 
> > Current state of mind: put a live hand grenade in to the computer and
> > walk away.
> > 
> > I've been using Gentoo Every day now for ten years. This is an
> > entirely
> > New level of bullshit. =(
> > 
> > 
> > Modest list of complete and utter FAIL:
> > 
> > ####
> > 
> > tortoise portage # tree -L 2
> > .
> > ├── app-office
> > │   └── texmacs-1.99.2-r1
> > ├── dev-libs
> > │   ├── libcdio-0.93
> > │   └── libcdio-paranoia-0.93_p1
> > ├── dev-qt
> > │   └── qtwebkit-5.5.1-r1
> > ├── kde-apps
> > │   └── kdesdk-kioslaves-15.12.2
> > ├── kde-plasma
> > │   ├── oxygen-5.5.5
> > │   └── oxygen-fonts-5.4.3
> > ├── media-gfx
> > │   └── fontforge-20150824
> > ├── media-libs
> > │   ├── opencv-3.1.0-r2
> > │   └── x264-0.0.20151011
> > └── media-video
> >     └── vcdimager-0.7.24
> > 
> > 19 directories, 0 files
> > tortoise portage #
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Maybe you can install libreoffice-bin instead libreoffice package. And
> for you wayland problem only needs the gles2 use flag.
> About the PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET you should read the portage news.
> -- 
> William Ernesto Cárdenas Gómez <willecg@openmailbox.org>
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[gentoo-user] Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

[Alan Grimes]

I use two scripts for all emerge use, the goal is to run one command and
then walk away:

Standard general update script:
#######################
tortoise ~ # cat sysupdate

#they must have moved or removed the logs, might have to track them down
again...
#rm /var/log/emerge*

# cache /usr/portage 
echo "caching /usr/portage.  This will take a long time."
time ls -R /usr/portage > /dev/null

emerge --sync
layman --sync ALL

emerge --update --verbose portage
emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y system --keep-going
emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y world --keep-going

rm -f /var/cache/revdep-rebuild/*.rr
revdep-rebuild
emerge --skipfirst --resume
emerge --skipfirst --resume
etc-update
eclean-dist
########################

The eclean line was added just a few days ago from this thread...

This one is intended to be a nice gentle update script.
It caches the portage tree, then syncs everything, then updates
everything starting with critical system packages, then all world
packages...

Then it cleans stuff up, it jcakhammers the revdep-rebuild but not too
hard....


This next script is what I use when emerge starts giving me shit:

##################
tortoise ~ # cat keepgoing
emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y system
emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps

emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y world
emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps

rm /var/cache/revdep-rebuild/*.rr
revdep-rebuild
emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps

etc-update
###################

It's basically the same as the working section of the above but instead
of letting emerge do it's thing, it jackhammers that bitch as hard as
possible to get as much updated as possible, but it requires emerge to
do something and not error out for no good reason... I expect prune and
depclean to be useless but I kinda need update to basically work every
time. =\
Whatever fails on this script, I just live with until next week/month.

###################
tortoise ~ # ./pretendupdate

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies /

!!! Problem resolving dependencies for sys-apps/util-linux from @system
... done!

!!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "sys-apps/util-linux" has unmet
requirements.
- sys-apps/util-linux-2.27.1::gentoo USE="caps cramfs ncurses nls pam
python readline suid udev unicode -build -fdformat -kill (-selinux)
-slang -static-libs -systemd -test -tty-helpers" ABI_X86="32 64 -x32"
PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="-python2_7 -python3_3 -python3_4"
PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_4 -python3_3"

  The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
    python? ( exactly-one-of ( python_single_target_python2_7
python_single_target_python3_3 python_single_target_python3_4 ) )

  The above constraints are a subset of the following complete expression:
    python? ( exactly-one-of ( python_single_target_python2_7
python_single_target_python3_3 python_single_target_python3_4 )
python_single_target_python2_7? ( python_targets_python2_7 )
python_single_target_python3_3? ( python_targets_python3_3 )
python_single_target_python3_4? ( python_targets_python3_4 ) )

(dependency required by "@system" [set])
(dependency required by "@world" [argument])

tortoise ~ # cat ./pretendupdate
emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y world --verbose --pretend
tortoise ~ #

###########

Google is not being helpful with this... =(



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Re: [gentoo-user] Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

[Alec Ten Harmsel]

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 08:18:13PM -0400, Alan Grimes wrote:
> I use two scripts for all emerge use, the goal is to run one command and
> then walk away:
> 
> Standard general update script:
> #######################
> tortoise ~ # cat sysupdate
> 
> #they must have moved or removed the logs, might have to track them down
> again...
> #rm /var/log/emerge*
> 
> # cache /usr/portage 
> echo "caching /usr/portage.  This will take a long time."
> time ls -R /usr/portage > /dev/null
> 
> emerge --sync
> layman --sync ALL
> 
> emerge --update --verbose portage

You almost certainly want this to be:

    emerge --update --verbose --oneshot portage

"--oneshot" will prevent portage from being added to your @world set.

> emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y system --keep-going

Add "--oneshot", same reasoning as above.

> emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y world --keep-going
> 
> rm -f /var/cache/revdep-rebuild/*.rr

delete the above line

> revdep-rebuild

add "--ignore" to ignore any cached files and fully examine the system.

> emerge --skipfirst --resume
> emerge --skipfirst --resume
> etc-update
> eclean-dist
> ########################
> 
> The eclean line was added just a few days ago from this thread...
> 
> This one is intended to be a nice gentle update script.
> It caches the portage tree, then syncs everything, then updates
> everything starting with critical system packages, then all world
> packages...
> 
> Then it cleans stuff up, it jcakhammers the revdep-rebuild but not too
> hard....

Seeing so much "--resume" and "--skip-first" and "--keep-going"
frightens me.

> This next script is what I use when emerge starts giving me shit:
> 
> ##################
> tortoise ~ # cat keepgoing
> emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y system
> emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
> emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
> emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
> 
> emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y world
> emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
> emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
> emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
> emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
> emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
> emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
> emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
> emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
> emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
> emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
> 
> rm /var/cache/revdep-rebuild/*.rr
> revdep-rebuild
> emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
> emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
> emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
> emerge --skipfirst --resume --nodeps
> 
> etc-update
> ###################
> 
> It's basically the same as the working section of the above but instead
> of letting emerge do it's thing, it jackhammers that bitch as hard as
> possible to get as much updated as possible, but it requires emerge to
> do something and not error out for no good reason... I expect prune and
> depclean to be useless but I kinda need update to basically work every
> time. =\
> Whatever fails on this script, I just live with until next week/month.

Wow. This script makes me cry.

> ###################
> tortoise ~ # ./pretendupdate
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies /
> 
> !!! Problem resolving dependencies for sys-apps/util-linux from @system
> ... done!
> 
> !!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "sys-apps/util-linux" has unmet
> requirements.
> - sys-apps/util-linux-2.27.1::gentoo USE="caps cramfs ncurses nls pam
> python readline suid udev unicode -build -fdformat -kill (-selinux)
> -slang -static-libs -systemd -test -tty-helpers" ABI_X86="32 64 -x32"
> PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="-python2_7 -python3_3 -python3_4"
> PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_4 -python3_3"
> 
>   The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
>     python? ( exactly-one-of ( python_single_target_python2_7
> python_single_target_python3_3 python_single_target_python3_4 ) )
> 
>   The above constraints are a subset of the following complete expression:
>     python? ( exactly-one-of ( python_single_target_python2_7
> python_single_target_python3_3 python_single_target_python3_4 )
> python_single_target_python2_7? ( python_targets_python2_7 )
> python_single_target_python3_3? ( python_targets_python3_3 )
> python_single_target_python3_4? ( python_targets_python3_4 ) )
> 
> (dependency required by "@system" [set])
> (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
> 
> tortoise ~ # cat ./pretendupdate
> emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y world --verbose --pretend
> tortoise ~ #
> 
> ###########
> 
> Google is not being helpful with this... =(

What have you set PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET to? It *must* be one of:

* python2_7
* python3_4

Alec

Re: [gentoo-user] Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

[Alan Grimes]

> What have you set PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET to? It *must* be one of: *
python2_7 * python3_4 Alec

I had it on 3_4 but that's giving me:


####

tortoise ~ # ./pretendupdate

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!

!!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been pulled
!!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict:

media-libs/mesa:0

  (media-libs/mesa-11.1.2-r1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
pulled in by
    (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot)

  (media-libs/mesa-11.1.2-r1:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
    media-libs/mesa[egl,gbm,gles2?,wayland] required by
(kde-plasma/kwin-5.5.5:5/5::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
                                  
^^^^^^^                                                                                                                



It might be possible to solve this slot collision
by applying all of the following changes:
   - media-libs/mesa-11.1.2-r1 (Change USE: +gles2 +wayland)


!!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "app-text/asciidoc" has unmet
requirements.
- app-text/asciidoc-8.6.9-r2::gentoo USE="graphviz -examples -highlight
-test" ABI_X86="64" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="-pypy -python2_7"
PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 -pypy"

  The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
    exactly-one-of ( python_single_target_pypy
python_single_target_python2_7 )

  The above constraints are a subset of the following complete expression:
    exactly-one-of ( python_single_target_pypy
python_single_target_python2_7 ) python_single_target_pypy? (
python_targets_pypy ) python_single_target_python2_7? (
python_targets_python2_7 )

(dependency required by "net-misc/tor-0.2.8.1_alpha::gentoo" [installed])
(dependency required by "@selected" [set])
(dependency required by "@world" [argument])
tortoise ~ #


####

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Powers are not rights.

Re: [gentoo-user] Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On 18 March 2016 01:08:26 GMT+00:00, Alan Grimes <ALONZOTG@verizon.net> wrote:
> > What have you set PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET to? It *must* be one of: *
> python2_7 * python3_4 Alec
> 
> I had it on 3_4 but that's giving me:
> 
> 
> ####
> 
> tortoise ~ # ./pretendupdate
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> 
> !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been
> pulled
> !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict:
> 
> media-libs/mesa:0
> 
>   (media-libs/mesa-11.1.2-r1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
> pulled in by
>     (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot)
> 
>   (media-libs/mesa-11.1.2-r1:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
>     media-libs/mesa[egl,gbm,gles2?,wayland] required by
> (kde-plasma/kwin-5.5.5:5/5::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>                                   
> ^^^^^^^                                                               
>                                                 
> 
> 
> 
> It might be possible to solve this slot collision
> by applying all of the following changes:
>    - media-libs/mesa-11.1.2-r1 (Change USE: +gles2 +wayland)
> 
> 
> !!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "app-text/asciidoc" has unmet
> requirements.
> - app-text/asciidoc-8.6.9-r2::gentoo USE="graphviz -examples
> -highlight
> -test" ABI_X86="64" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="-pypy -python2_7"
> PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 -pypy"
> 
>   The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
>     exactly-one-of ( python_single_target_pypy
> python_single_target_python2_7 )
> 
> The above constraints are a subset of the following complete
> expression:
>     exactly-one-of ( python_single_target_pypy
> python_single_target_python2_7 ) python_single_target_pypy? (
> python_targets_pypy ) python_single_target_python2_7? (
> python_targets_python2_7 )
> 
> (dependency required by "net-misc/tor-0.2.8.1_alpha::gentoo"
> [installed])
> (dependency required by "@selected" [set])
> (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
> tortoise ~ #
> 
> 
> ####
> 
> -- 
> IQ is a measure of how stupid you feel.
> 
> Powers are not rights.

Why ask the same question again when you got an answer last time?

Hint: look at the output for asciidoc. 
-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
>
>
> Why ask the same question again when you got an answer last time?
>
> Hint: look at the output for asciidoc.
> -- 
> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. 

I have to add this.  From what I understand about the scripts he is
using, he is blindly letting emerge do updates without checking to see
if the updates fall into line with what he *needs*.  If I read it
correctly, any USE flag change will be missed until it hits the fan and
is broken.  That would then mean taking a lot of time to go back through
logs and figuring out just when it went wrong and most importantly, what
caused it and how to fix it.  Since the change could have happened
several updates ago, that could involve some work and a lot of rebuilding. 

Doing the sync in a script and even getting a email or something with
the -p output is fine but updating blindly is not a good idea. 

At this point, I think I understand why he is having so much trouble. 
At the very least, check to see what USE flags are changing before doing
updates.  There are other things that are important but that is one that
changes a good bit. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 12:41:39 -0500, Dale wrote:

> I have to add this.  From what I understand about the scripts he is
> using, he is blindly letting emerge do updates without checking to see
> if the updates fall into line with what he *needs*.  If I read it
> correctly, any USE flag change will be missed until it hits the fan and
> is broken.  That would then mean taking a lot of time to go back through
> logs and figuring out just when it went wrong and most importantly, what
> caused it and how to fix it.  Since the change could have happened
> several updates ago, that could involve some work and a lot of
> rebuilding. 

And deleting the emerge logs as part of that script doesn't make things
any easier. Still, some people like a challenge ;-)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Be regular. Eat cron flakes.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

[Alan Grimes]

The dependency graph that seems to be murdering me right now seems to be:


kde -> wayland -> gles2 -> egl ->


#####################
..............................

[ebuild  N     ] kde-plasma/plasma-meta-5.5.5:5::gentoo 
USE="display-manager gtk pam pulseaudio sddm sdk wallpapers -bluetooth
-mediacenter -networkmanager" 0 KiB
[ebuild  NS    ] kde-apps/kde-meta-15.08.3:5::gentoo
[4.14.3-r1:4::gentoo] 0 KiB
[uninstall     ] kde-apps/kde-meta-4.14.3-r1:4::gentoo  USE="nls sdk
-accessibility (-aqua) -kdepim -minimal"
[blocks b      ] kde-apps/kde-meta:4 ("kde-apps/kde-meta:4" is blocking
kde-apps/kde-meta-15.08.3)
[ebuild     U  ] dev-lang/mono-4.2.2.30::gentoo [4.2.2.10-r1::gentoo]
USE="nls (-doc) -minimal -pax_kernel -xen" 0 KiB
[ebuild  N     ] dev-dotnet/nuget-2.8.3::gentoo  0 KiB
[ebuild     U  ] dev-dotnet/libgdiplus-4.2-r2::gentoo [4.2-r1::gentoo]
USE="cairo" 0 KiB
[ebuild     U  ] dev-util/monodevelop-5.9.5.9-r1::gentoo
[3.0.2-r1::gentoo] USE="git gnome%* subversion -qtcurve%" 0 KiB

Total: 119 packages (21 upgrades, 32 new, 54 in new slots, 12
reinstalls, 80 uninstalls), Size of downloads: 395,848 KiB
Conflict: 80 blocks

WARNING: One or more updates/rebuilds have been skipped due to a
dependency conflict:

dev-qt/qtgui:5

  (dev-qt/qtgui-5.5.1-r1:5/5::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
conflicts with
    ~dev-qt/qtgui-5.5.1[-egl] required by
(dev-qt/qtmultimedia-5.5.1-r2:5/5::gentoo, installed)
                        ^^^^

tortoise ~ #
#####################



Dale wrote:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>
>> Why ask the same question again when you got an answer last time?
>>
>> Hint: look at the output for asciidoc.
>> -- 
>> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. 
> I have to add this.  From what I understand about the scripts he is
> using, he is blindly letting emerge do updates without checking to see
> if the updates fall into line with what he *needs*.  If I read it
> correctly, any USE flag change will be missed until it hits the fan and
> is broken.  That would then mean taking a lot of time to go back through
> logs and figuring out just when it went wrong and most importantly, what
> caused it and how to fix it.  Since the change could have happened
> several updates ago, that could involve some work and a lot of rebuilding. 
>
> Doing the sync in a script and even getting a email or something with
> the -p output is fine but updating blindly is not a good idea. 
>
> At this point, I think I understand why he is having so much trouble. 
> At the very least, check to see what USE flags are changing before doing
> updates.  There are other things that are important but that is one that
> changes a good bit. 
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-) 
>
>


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Powers are not rights.

Re: [gentoo-user] Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 23:31:46 -0400, Alan Grimes wrote:

> The dependency graph that seems to be murdering me right now seems to
> be:
> 
> 
> kde -> wayland -> gles2 -> egl ->

I use KDE5 and don't have egl set anywhere in /etc/portage

> ..............................
> 
> [ebuild  N     ] kde-plasma/plasma-meta-5.5.5:5::gentoo 
> USE="display-manager gtk pam pulseaudio sddm sdk wallpapers -bluetooth
> -mediacenter -networkmanager" 0 KiB
> [ebuild  NS    ] kde-apps/kde-meta-15.08.3:5::gentoo
> [4.14.3-r1:4::gentoo] 0 KiB
> [uninstall     ] kde-apps/kde-meta-4.14.3-r1:4::gentoo  USE="nls sdk
> -accessibility (-aqua) -kdepim -minimal"
> [blocks b      ] kde-apps/kde-meta:4 ("kde-apps/kde-meta:4" is blocking
> kde-apps/kde-meta-15.08.3)
> [ebuild     U  ] dev-lang/mono-4.2.2.30::gentoo [4.2.2.10-r1::gentoo]
> USE="nls (-doc) -minimal -pax_kernel -xen" 0 KiB
> [ebuild  N     ] dev-dotnet/nuget-2.8.3::gentoo  0 KiB
> [ebuild     U  ] dev-dotnet/libgdiplus-4.2-r2::gentoo [4.2-r1::gentoo]
> USE="cairo" 0 KiB
> [ebuild     U  ] dev-util/monodevelop-5.9.5.9-r1::gentoo
> [3.0.2-r1::gentoo] USE="git gnome%* subversion -qtcurve%" 0 KiB
> 
> Total: 119 packages (21 upgrades, 32 new, 54 in new slots, 12
> reinstalls, 80 uninstalls), Size of downloads: 395,848 KiB
> Conflict: 80 blocks
> 
> WARNING: One or more updates/rebuilds have been skipped due to a
> dependency conflict:
> 
> dev-qt/qtgui:5
> 
>   (dev-qt/qtgui-5.5.1-r1:5/5::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
> conflicts with
>     ~dev-qt/qtgui-5.5.1[-egl] required by
> (dev-qt/qtmultimedia-5.5.1-r2:5/5::gentoo, installed)

I see no errors here, what is stopping the emerge from proceeding?



-- 
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I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of
room o

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Re: [gentoo-user] Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

[Francisco Ares]

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2016-03-18 14:41 GMT-03:00 Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:

> Neil Bothwick wrote:
> >
> >
> > Why ask the same question again when you got an answer last time?
> >
> > Hint: look at the output for asciidoc.
> > --
> > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
> I have to add this.  From what I understand about the scripts he is
> using, he is blindly letting emerge do updates without checking to see
> if the updates fall into line with what he *needs*.  If I read it
> correctly, any USE flag change will be missed until it hits the fan and
> is broken.  That would then mean taking a lot of time to go back through
> logs and figuring out just when it went wrong and most importantly, what
> caused it and how to fix it.  Since the change could have happened
> several updates ago, that could involve some work and a lot of rebuilding.
>
> Doing the sync in a script and even getting a email or something with
> the -p output is fine but updating blindly is not a good idea.
>
> At this point, I think I understand why he is having so much trouble.
> At the very least, check to see what USE flags are changing before doing
> updates.  There are other things that are important but that is one that
> changes a good bit.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>
>
>

My  $0.02.  Three scripts, at different cron entries:


$  cat update
#! /bin/bash
if ! [ -e /root/.working ]
then
    touch /root/.working
    LOG=/tmp/update.log
    LOG_TEMP=`/bin/tempfile`
    date > $LOG
    umount /usr/portage/distfiles 2> /dev/null
    mount /usr/portage/distfiles/
    /usr/sbin/emaint sync -a 1>> $LOG 2>> $LOG && \
    /usr/bin/layman -S 1>> $LOG 2>> $LOG && \
    /usr/bin/emerge -fvuDN --with-bdeps=y --complete-graph=y --backtrac=100
world 1>> $LOG 2>> $LOG && \
    /usr/bin/emerge -pvuDN --with-bdeps=y --complete-graph=y --backtrac=100
world 1>> $LOG_TEMP 2>> $LOG_TEMP && \
    cat $LOG_TEMP >> $LOG
    date >> $LOG
    echo -e \\n >> $LOG
    rm -f /root/.working
    cat $LOG_TEMP | mail -b -c -s "update system" email_address@domain.com
    rm -f $LOG_TEMP
fi





$ cat emerg
#! /bin/bash
LOG=/tmp/update.log
GREP_PATTERN="[<>=\*][<>=\*][<>=\*] [eEuUcCM(rN]"
if ! [ -e /root/.working ]
then
        date > $LOG
        touch /root/.working
        echo ---- ---- >> $LOG
        nice -n 10 emerge -vuDN --with-bdeps=y --complete-graph=y
--backtrac=100 --keep-going --quiet-build world 1>> $LOG 2>> $LOG
        echo ---- ---- >> $LOG
        nice -n 10 revdep-rebuild -q -i -- --quiet-build --keep-going 1>>
$LOG 2>> $LOG
        echo ---- ---- >> $LOG
        nice -n 10 emerge -vuDN --with-bdeps=y --complete-graph=y
--backtrac=100 --keep-going --quiet-build world 1>> $LOG 2>> $LOG
        echo ---- ---- >> $LOG
        nice -n 10 revdep-rebuild -q -i -- --quiet-build --keep-going 1>>
$LOG 2>> $LOG
        echo ---- ---- >> $LOG
        nice -n 10 /root/bin/xorg_rebuild 1>> $LOG 2>> $LOG
        echo ---- ---- >> $LOG
        nice -n 10 revdep-rebuild -q -i -- --quiet-build --keep-going 1>>
$LOG 2>> $LOG
        echo ---- ---- >> $LOG

        nice -n 10 /root/bin/xorg_rebuild 1>> $LOG 2>> $LOG
        echo ---- ---- >> $LOG
        nice -n 10 revdep-rebuild -q -i -- --quiet-build --keep-going 1>>
$LOG 2>> $LOG
        echo ---- ---- >> $LOG
        nice -n 10 /usr/sbin/rkhunter --propupd 1>> $LOG 2>> $LOG
        date >> $LOG
        echo -n ^D >> $LOG ; cat $LOG | mail -b -c -s "emerge
altdimtzlgt002" francisco.ares.altec@gmail.com
        rm -f /root/.working
fi

if ! [ -e /root/.workhours ]
then
        shutdown -h +1
fi


$ cat bin/xorg_rebuild
#! /bin/bash
if ! [ -e /root/.working ]
then
        touch /root/.working

        XORG_SERVER=`equery l xorg-server`
        if [ "$XORG_SERVER" != "`cat /root/xorg-server.txt`" ]
        then
                EMERGE_LIST=`equery l --format='$name' xf86*`" "`equery l
--format='$name' "xorg*"`" "`equery l --format='$name' nvidia-drivers`
                # EMERGE_LIST=`equery l --format='$name' xf86*`" "`equery l
--format='$name' "xorg*"`
                emerge -vD --with-bdeps=y --keep-going --quiet-build
$EMERGE_LIST && \
                echo $XORG_SERVER>/root/xorg-server.txt && \
                echo $NVIDIA_DRVR>/root/nvidia-drvr.txt && \
                rmmod nvidia 2>/dev/null && modprobe nvidia
        fi

        DRIVER="nvidia-drivers"
        MOD="nvidia"
        VIDEO_DRIVR=`equery l $DRIVER`
        if [ "$VIDEO_DRIVR" != "`cat /root/video-drv.txt`" ]
        then
                EMERGE_LIST=`equery l --format='$name' xf86*`" "`equery l
--format='$name' "xorg*"`" "`equery l --format='$name' $DRIVER`
                emerge -vD --with-bdeps=y --keep-going --quiet-build
$EMERGE_LIST && \
                echo $XORG_SERVER>/root/xorg-server.txt && \
                echo $VIDEO_DRIVR>/root/video-drv.txt && \
                rmmod $MOD 2>/dev/null && modprobe $MOD
        fi
        rm -f /root/.working
fi




Cron entries:

$ crontab -l
# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall.
# (/tmp/crontab.XXXX0z8ldq installed on Tue Jan 12 09:48:35 2016)
# (Cron version V5.0 -- $Id: crontab.c,v 1.12 2004/01/23 18:56:42 vixie Exp
$)
00 07 * * 1-5 touch /root/.workhours
30 07 * * 1-5 touch /root/.workhours
00 08 * * 1-5 touch /root/.workhours
30 08 * * 1-5 touch /root/.workhours
00 09 * * 1-5 touch /root/.workhours
30 09 * * 1-5 touch /root/.workhours
05 09 * * 1-5 /root/bin/update
30 13 * * 1-5 touch /root/.workhours
30 12 * * 1-5 /root/bin/emerg
00 20 * * 1-5 rm -f /root/.workhours

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[gentoo-user] Re: Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

[»Q«]

On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 20:37:04 -0400
Alec Ten Harmsel <alec@alectenharmsel.com> wrote:

> > emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y system --keep-going  
> 
> Add "--oneshot", same reasoning as above.

When the target is a set (in this case @system), does portage ever add
all of it to @world?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

[Alan McKinnon]

On 18/03/2016 20:43, »Q« wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 20:37:04 -0400
> Alec Ten Harmsel <alec@alectenharmsel.com> wrote:
> 
>>> emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y system --keep-going  
>>
>> Add "--oneshot", same reasoning as above.
> 
> When the target is a set (in this case @system), does portage ever add
> all of it to @world?
> 
> 

Effectively, yes. That's not what the code does of course (they go into
world_sets) but the behaviour is as if the set was in world, and gets
added/removed as a complete unit


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

[gentoo-user] Re: Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

[»Q«]

On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 23:55:19 +0200
Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 18/03/2016 20:43, »Q« wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 20:37:04 -0400
> > Alec Ten Harmsel <alec@alectenharmsel.com> wrote:
> >   
> >>> emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y system
> >>> --keep-going    
> >>
> >> Add "--oneshot", same reasoning as above.  
> > 
> > When the target is a set (in this case @system), does portage ever
> > add all of it to @world? 
> 
> Effectively, yes. That's not what the code does of course (they go
> into world_sets) but the behaviour is as if the set was in world, and
> gets added/removed as a complete unit

Hmm, that doesn't match my experience.  I just tested with the smallest
set I ever use, @module-rebuild :

# emerge @module-rebuild
Calculating dependencies... done!
>>> Verifying ebuild manifests
>>> Emerging (1 of 1) app-emulation/virtualbox-modules-4.3.32::gentoo
>>> Installing (1 of 1) app-emulation/virtualbox-modules-4.3.32::gentoo
>>> Jobs: 1 of 1 complete                           Load avg: 2.04,
>>> 0.80, 0.52 Auto-cleaning packages...

>>> No outdated packages were found on your system.

 * GNU info directory index is up-to-date.
# cat /var/lib/portage/world_sets 
# file /var/lib/portage/world_sets 
/var/lib/portage/world_sets: empty

I don't think I have anything in make.conf which would change the
default behavior WRT world_sets, but here's what I have anyway:

FEATURES="binpkg-logs buildsyspkg collision-protect downgrade-backup
     fail-clean fixlafiles news parallel-fetch parallel-install
     preserve-libs sandbox strict unknown-features-warn userfetch
     userpriv usersandbox usersync"

EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--ask-enter-invalid --jobs=8 --load-average 11.2 --with-bdeps y"

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

[Alan McKinnon]

On 19/03/2016 18:43, »Q« wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 23:55:19 +0200
> Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 18/03/2016 20:43, »Q« wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 20:37:04 -0400
>>> Alec Ten Harmsel <alec@alectenharmsel.com> wrote:
>>>   
>>>>> emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y system
>>>>> --keep-going    
>>>>
>>>> Add "--oneshot", same reasoning as above.  
>>>
>>> When the target is a set (in this case @system), does portage ever
>>> add all of it to @world? 
>>
>> Effectively, yes. That's not what the code does of course (they go
>> into world_sets) but the behaviour is as if the set was in world, and
>> gets added/removed as a complete unit
> 
> Hmm, that doesn't match my experience.  I just tested with the smallest
> set I ever use, @module-rebuild :
> 
> # emerge @module-rebuild
> Calculating dependencies... done!
>>>> Verifying ebuild manifests
>>>> Emerging (1 of 1) app-emulation/virtualbox-modules-4.3.32::gentoo
>>>> Installing (1 of 1) app-emulation/virtualbox-modules-4.3.32::gentoo
>>>> Jobs: 1 of 1 complete                           Load avg: 2.04,
>>>> 0.80, 0.52 Auto-cleaning packages...
> 
>>>> No outdated packages were found on your system.
> 
>  * GNU info directory index is up-to-date.
> # cat /var/lib/portage/world_sets 
> # file /var/lib/portage/world_sets 
> /var/lib/portage/world_sets: empty
> 
> I don't think I have anything in make.conf which would change the
> default behavior WRT world_sets, but here's what I have anyway:
> 
> FEATURES="binpkg-logs buildsyspkg collision-protect downgrade-backup
>      fail-clean fixlafiles news parallel-fetch parallel-install
>      preserve-libs sandbox strict unknown-features-warn userfetch
>      userpriv usersandbox usersync"
> 
> EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--ask-enter-invalid --jobs=8 --load-average 11.2 --with-bdeps y"
> 
> 
> 


@module-rebuild is a dynamic set. It translates to "all the packages you
have emerged that install out-of-tree kernel modules"

So not really a fair comparison. Compare instead against a regular
static set - "a bunch of packages defined by you that go together and
live in /etc/portage/sets/<set_name>"

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

[gentoo-user] Re: Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

[»Q«]

On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 19:03:24 +0200
Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 19/03/2016 18:43, »Q« wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 23:55:19 +0200
> > Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> >   
> >> On 18/03/2016 20:43, »Q« wrote:  
> >>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 20:37:04 -0400
> >>> Alec Ten Harmsel <alec@alectenharmsel.com> wrote:
> >>>     
> >>>>> emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y system
> >>>>> --keep-going      
> >>>>
> >>>> Add "--oneshot", same reasoning as above.    
> >>>
> >>> When the target is a set (in this case @system), does portage ever
> >>> add all of it to @world?   

[big snip]

> @module-rebuild is a dynamic set. It translates to "all the packages
> you have emerged that install out-of-tree kernel modules"
> 
> So not really a fair comparison. Compare instead against a regular
> static set - "a bunch of packages defined by you that go together and
> live in /etc/portage/sets/<set_name>"

Thanks much for the lesson.  I may hijack more of the OP's threads to
ask about trivia.  :)

$ sudo emerge --noreplace @testset
Calculating dependencies... done!
>>> Recording @testset in "world_sets" favorites file...

I had also been under the mistaken impression that --update 
implied --oneshot, but I see that it's not so.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

[Dale]

»Q« wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 19:03:24 +0200
> Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Recording @testset in "world_sets" favorites file...
> I had also been under the mistaken impression that --update 
> implied --oneshot, but I see that it's not so.
>
>
>
>

Don't worry, a lot of us learned that the hard way. 

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

[Alec Ten Harmsel]

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 01:43:53PM -0500, »Q« wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 20:37:04 -0400
> Alec Ten Harmsel <alec@alectenharmsel.com> wrote:
> 
> > > emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y system --keep-going  
> > 
> > Add "--oneshot", same reasoning as above.
> 
> When the target is a set (in this case @system), does portage ever add
> all of it to @world?
> 

Apparently it does not. I know it does that for individual packages, so
I just assumed it did that for sets as well. I stand corrected.

Alec

[gentoo-user] Re: Confessional: how I generally use emerge.

[Jonathan Callen]

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On 03/18/2016 02:43 PM, »Q« wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 20:37:04 -0400 Alec Ten Harmsel
> <alec@alectenharmsel.com> wrote:
> 
>>> emerge --update --newuse --deep --with-bdeps=y system
>>> --keep-going
>> 
>> Add "--oneshot", same reasoning as above.
> 
> When the target is a set (in this case @system), does portage ever
> add all of it to @world?
> 
> 
> 

The correct answer for this is "it depends".  Each set can be
configured to be included or not in the world_sets file, based usually
on the type of set.

The file /usr/share/portage/config/sets/portage.conf declares many
sets, setting "world-candidate = True" for some of them.  Others (like
@world, @selected, and @system) are not candidates for @world.  Note
that the "@world" set itself is declared to be exactly the three sets
"@profile @selected @system" -- @system is the usual system set,
@selected is the contents of the "world" and "world_sets" files, and
@profile is certain packages that used to be defined as required in
profiles without being listed in @system (I don't believe this
functionality is used in the tree any more).

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[gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2016-03-17, Alan Grimes <ALONZOTG@verizon.net> wrote:

> My effort to update my syestem continues unabated. =\
>
> One problem is that every time revdep-rebuild is run, it always rebuilds
> all of libreoffice, an 8-hour build. WTF, seriously, WTF?
>
> I made the mistake of syncing portage again and was thrown back into
> useflag hell:

Have you considered just re-installing from scratch?  I know it's
tough to admit defeat, but when a base install takes less than an
hour[1]...

[1] Plus the overnight "emerge" command that builds all the fancy
    stuff...

-- 
Grant Edwards               grant.b.edwards        Yow! Oh, I get it!!
                                  at               "The BEACH goes on", huh,
                              gmail.com            SONNY??

Re: [gentoo-user] The war continues.

[Philip Webb]

160317 Alan Grimes wrote:
> My effort to update my syestem continues unabated.
> One problem is that every time revdep-rebuild is run,
> it always rebuilds all of libreoffice, an 8-hour build.

When I upgraded to LO 5.1.0.3 , it took  1 h 4 m :
do you have a very old machine ?

> I tried to fix it by setting wayland, gles2 and egl to default
> because they were breaking other packages.

Why are you using Wayland ? -- it's still largely experimental, isn't it ?

> I don't even know how to read the current error message

That's a common experience for most of us (smile) !
First advice : most of the "errors" are really advisories.

> Current state of mind:
> put a live hand grenade in to the computer and walk away.

Better to put it all aside till tomorrow.

> I've been using Gentoo every day now for ten years.
> This is an entirely new level of bullshit.

I've been using it since 2003 & have never had a problem this size.
However in all that time, I've never done 'emerge world' without '-p' ;
I update pkgs individually, typically with '-1'.

Try 'emerge -Dvp world' & send the output to a file,
then work thro' the list a few pkgs at a time ;
if you run into a block, skip that pkg & see how far you can get ; repeat.
The result wb to isolate what's going wrong,
when you can test solutions, which are usually  1  level deep.

HTH

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ELECTRIC   /] [] [] [] [] []|   Cities Centre, University of Toronto
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[gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 17/03/16 18:00, Philip Webb wrote:
>> I tried to fix it by setting wayland, gles2 and egl to default
>> because they were breaking other packages.
>
> Why are you using Wayland ? -- it's still largely experimental, isn't it ?

Some packages force the wayland USE flag on. Emerge that breaks if you 
try to disable wayland. (KDE 5 packages do this.)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Philip Webb]

160318 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 17/03/16 18:00, Philip Webb wrote:
AG> I tried to fix it by setting wayland, gles2 and egl to default
> because they were breaking other packages.
PW> Why are you using Wayland ? -- it's still largely experimental, isn't it ?
NC> KDE 5 packages force the wayland USE flag on
> & break 'emerge', if you try to disable wayland.

So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile).
Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps.

-- 
========================,,============================================
SUPPORT     ___________//___,   Philip Webb
ELECTRIC   /] [] [] [] [] []|   Cities Centre, University of Toronto
TRANSIT    `-O----------O---'   purslowatchassdotutorontodotca

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Alan Grimes]

Philip Webb wrote:

> So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile).
> Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps.

The last good version of KDE was 3.5.x... then the flood came... (Qt 4)
and all the developer started having Ideas about things that could go
into the new version....


-- 
IQ is a measure of how stupid you feel.

Powers are not rights.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[wabenbau]

Alan Grimes <ALONZOTG@verizon.net> wrote:

> Philip Webb wrote:
> 
> > So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile).
> > Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps.  
> 
> The last good version of KDE was 3.5.x... then the flood came... (Qt
> 4) and all the developer started having Ideas about things that could
> go into the new version....

Also IMHO KDE 3.5 was the best (K)DE. :-)

But I can't envisage that KDE will ever reach that quality again.

--
Regards
wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Dale]

wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> Alan Grimes <ALONZOTG@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Philip Webb wrote:
>>
>>> So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile).
>>> Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps.  
>> The last good version of KDE was 3.5.x... then the flood came... (Qt
>> 4) and all the developer started having Ideas about things that could
>> go into the new version....
> Also IMHO KDE 3.5 was the best (K)DE. :-)
>
> But I can't envisage that KDE will ever reach that quality again.
>
> --
> Regards
> wabe
>
>


You two just said a mouth full and I agree.  That last part of KDE3 was
some good stuff.  To this day, I still can't get my desktop slide show
to *not* be random.  I filed a bug way back when KDE3 forced folks to
move to KDE4.  I can see how making it random may require some work but
disabling it shouldn't take to much work.  Just beat the random thing
until it dies.  lol 

That's just one thing tho.  KDE3 was much faster in my opinion. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[wabenbau]

Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> > Alan Grimes <ALONZOTG@verizon.net> wrote:
> >  
> >> Philip Webb wrote:
> >>  
> >>> So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile).
> >>> Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps.    
> >> The last good version of KDE was 3.5.x... then the flood came...
> >> (Qt 4) and all the developer started having Ideas about things
> >> that could go into the new version....  
> > Also IMHO KDE 3.5 was the best (K)DE. :-)
> >
> > But I can't envisage that KDE will ever reach that quality again.
> >
> > --
> > Regards
> > wabe
> >
> >  
> 
> 
> You two just said a mouth full and I agree.  That last part of KDE3
> was some good stuff.  To this day, I still can't get my desktop slide
> show to *not* be random.  I filed a bug way back when KDE3 forced
> folks to move to KDE4.  I can see how making it random may require
> some work but disabling it shouldn't take to much work.  Just beat
> the random thing until it dies.  lol 
> 
> That's just one thing tho.  KDE3 was much faster in my opinion. 

What I miss most of all is the fantastic konqueror. It was way better 
than any other filemanager that I know. Of course I've tested the KDE4 
konqueror and also dolphin but it was horrible compared to the old
konqueror. Now I'm using thunar. It's far away from being perfect, but
it seems to be the lesser of the evils. ;-)

--
Regards
wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Mick]

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On Friday 18 Mar 2016 19:29:29 wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:

> What I miss most of all is the fantastic konqueror. It was way better
> than any other filemanager that I know. Of course I've tested the KDE4
> konqueror and also dolphin but it was horrible compared to the old
> konqueror. Now I'm using thunar. It's far away from being perfect, but
> it seems to be the lesser of the evils. ;-)
> 
> --
> Regards
> wabe

I'm still using Konq rather than dolphin as a file manager and continue to be 
happy with it.  :-)

What's stopping you using it?
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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[wabenbau]

Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday 18 Mar 2016 19:29:29 wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > What I miss most of all is the fantastic konqueror. It was way
> > better than any other filemanager that I know. Of course I've
> > tested the KDE4 konqueror and also dolphin but it was horrible
> > compared to the old konqueror. Now I'm using thunar. It's far away
> > from being perfect, but it seems to be the lesser of the evils. ;-)
> > 
> > --
> > Regards
> > wabe  
> 
> I'm still using Konq rather than dolphin as a file manager and
> continue to be happy with it.  :-)
> 
> What's stopping you using it?

It's some years ago and when I'm honest, I can't remember exactly 
what displeased me. :-) 
IIRC one thing was that the detailed view mode was not as compact
as it was with konqueror3. And there were some problems with the
theme (missing icons and some other glitches). And IIRC I also 
missed some functions.

Maybe I will try it again with KDE5. But this also depends on the 
dependencies. :-) I'm not sure if I'm willing to install the complete
KDE environment for this test.

--
Regards
wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Alan McKinnon]

On 18/03/2016 22:37, wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Friday 18 Mar 2016 19:29:29 wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> What I miss most of all is the fantastic konqueror. It was way
>>> better than any other filemanager that I know. Of course I've
>>> tested the KDE4 konqueror and also dolphin but it was horrible
>>> compared to the old konqueror. Now I'm using thunar. It's far away
>>> from being perfect, but it seems to be the lesser of the evils. ;-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards
>>> wabe  
>>
>> I'm still using Konq rather than dolphin as a file manager and
>> continue to be happy with it.  :-)
>>
>> What's stopping you using it?
> 
> It's some years ago and when I'm honest, I can't remember exactly 
> what displeased me. :-) 
> IIRC one thing was that the detailed view mode was not as compact
> as it was with konqueror3. And there were some problems with the
> theme (missing icons and some other glitches). And IIRC I also 
> missed some functions.
> 
> Maybe I will try it again with KDE5. But this also depends on the 
> dependencies. :-) I'm not sure if I'm willing to install the complete
> KDE environment for this test.

KDE 5 is absolutely nothing like KDE3. So by all means try it, but
evaluate it on it's own terms. It's not a better KDE3, it's a whole
different DE


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[wabenbau]

Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Maybe I will try it again with KDE5. But this also depends on the 
> > dependencies. :-) I'm not sure if I'm willing to install the
> > complete KDE environment for this test.  
> 
> KDE 5 is absolutely nothing like KDE3. So by all means try it, but
> evaluate it on it's own terms. It's not a better KDE3, it's a whole
> different DE

I've installed OpenSuse Tumbleweed in a VM and played a bit with 
KDE5. Despite the fact, that the graphics of a KVM VM isn't really 
fast enough for the fancy effects of KDE5, I'm really impressed.
Dolphin seems to be really usable and the many configuration options
are somewhat overwhelming after so many years of using only gtk 
environments. :-)

The main thing that makes me hesitating is that the whole KDE5 stuff 
is marked ~amd64. I'm running a mostly stable system and I don't 
wanna keywording too much packages. 

What I also don't want is too much crap that I don't need, e.g. a
networkmanger. Although I set USE="-networkmanager" portage wants to 
install it when I type "emerge -pv plasma-meta". 

I think, I should read some information before I try to install KDE5.

A (maybe silly) question: Is it possible to install KDE5 without 
systemd? I'm still using openrc and I don't wanna change this atm.

--
Regards
wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Alan McKinnon]

On 19/03/2016 05:08, wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Maybe I will try it again with KDE5. But this also depends on the 
>>> dependencies. :-) I'm not sure if I'm willing to install the
>>> complete KDE environment for this test.  
>>
>> KDE 5 is absolutely nothing like KDE3. So by all means try it, but
>> evaluate it on it's own terms. It's not a better KDE3, it's a whole
>> different DE

[snip]

> I think, I should read some information before I try to install KDE5.
> 
> A (maybe silly) question: Is it possible to install KDE5 without 
> systemd? I'm still using openrc and I don't wanna change this atm.


Yes.

KDE5 does not *require* systemd at all. It runs fine with openrc


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 04:08:15 +0100, wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:

> What I also don't want is too much crap that I don't need, e.g. a
> networkmanger. Although I set USE="-networkmanager" portage wants to 
> install it when I type "emerge -pv plasma-meta". 

It uses the geolocation code in the networkmanager library this is a
hard dependency until someone decided to create a patch.. I too don't
need NM (I use systemd-networkd) but I have to have NM installed, but not
running.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

This is the day for firm decisions! Or is it?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[wabenbau]

Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 04:08:15 +0100, wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > What I also don't want is too much crap that I don't need, e.g. a
> > networkmanger. Although I set USE="-networkmanager" portage wants
> > to install it when I type "emerge -pv plasma-meta".   
> 
> It uses the geolocation code in the networkmanager library this is a
> hard dependency until someone decided to create a patch.. I too don't
> need NM (I use systemd-networkd) but I have to have NM installed, but
> not running.

THX for the info. I've added -geolocation to my useflags. This pretended
networkmanager from being built.

--
Regards
wabe

[gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 18/03/16 23:57, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> KDE 5 is absolutely nothing like KDE3. So by all means try it, but
> evaluate it on it's own terms. It's not a better KDE3, it's a whole
> different DE

And full of bugs :-P

Holy crap is it full of bugs. Like, seriously.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[wabenbau]

Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 18/03/16 23:57, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > KDE 5 is absolutely nothing like KDE3. So by all means try it, but
> > evaluate it on it's own terms. It's not a better KDE3, it's a whole
> > different DE  
> 
> And full of bugs :-P
> 
> Holy crap is it full of bugs. Like, seriously.

I've only installed plasma-desktop, systemsettings5 and dolphin. 
After some hours of playing around, I decided to stay with XFCE,
but to use dolphin as filemanager.

XFCE is much faster and more stable then plasma. With plasma the 
mousepointer is buggy. It changed the cursor theme sometimes to a 
tiny black pointer when moved over certain areas of the desktop.
There were also bugs when I changed the plasma theme. When I've 
chosen breeze-dark, the colors became light and when I've chosen 
breeze, the colors became dark. After some fiddling I've got what 
I wanted, but after a few minutes the panel and the window 
decorations are disappeared and I had to restart the session.

Maybe in some months I will try it again. But for the moment I 
think it's better to use my old environment. The breeze-dark
theme however is something that I really like and so I decided to
use it (slightly modified) for my gtk2 and gtk3 apps and of course 
also for dolphin.

--
Regards
wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Dale]

wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Alan Grimes <ALONZOTG@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>  
>>>> Philip Webb wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>> So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile).
>>>>> Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps.    
>>>> The last good version of KDE was 3.5.x... then the flood came...
>>>> (Qt 4) and all the developer started having Ideas about things
>>>> that could go into the new version....  
>>> Also IMHO KDE 3.5 was the best (K)DE. :-)
>>>
>>> But I can't envisage that KDE will ever reach that quality again.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards
>>> wabe
>>>
>>>  
>>
>> You two just said a mouth full and I agree.  That last part of KDE3
>> was some good stuff.  To this day, I still can't get my desktop slide
>> show to *not* be random.  I filed a bug way back when KDE3 forced
>> folks to move to KDE4.  I can see how making it random may require
>> some work but disabling it shouldn't take to much work.  Just beat
>> the random thing until it dies.  lol 
>>
>> That's just one thing tho.  KDE3 was much faster in my opinion. 
> What I miss most of all is the fantastic konqueror. It was way better 
> than any other filemanager that I know. Of course I've tested the KDE4 
> konqueror and also dolphin but it was horrible compared to the old
> konqueror. Now I'm using thunar. It's far away from being perfect, but
> it seems to be the lesser of the evils. ;-)
>
> --
> Regards
> wabe
>
>


I still use Konqueror but I disabled some USE flags early on since I
didn't want some of the bloat.  I think I had to enable some since they
were no longer a option but sort of forced.  Anyway, this is the USE
flags for mine but since it is a short list, USE flags for other
packages may affect it more.

[ebuild   R    ] kde-apps/konqueror-15.08.3:4/15.08::gentoo 
USE="bookmarks handbook svg (-aqua) -debug" 0 KiB

The hard part, getting it to run as root.  KDE doesn't like things
running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow grease.  I use it to
edit config files and it has to run as root to do that.  I generally
have it open only when I am doing a update tho.  Obviously, I never do
internet stuff with it either.  < wags finger >

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[wabenbau]

Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> I still use Konqueror but I disabled some USE flags early on since I
> didn't want some of the bloat.  I think I had to enable some since
> they were no longer a option but sort of forced.  Anyway, this is the
> USE flags for mine but since it is a short list, USE flags for other
> packages may affect it more.
> 
> [ebuild   R    ] kde-apps/konqueror-15.08.3:4/15.08::gentoo 
> USE="bookmarks handbook svg (-aqua) -debug" 0 KiB

I've checked it out right now and portage told me that I would have to 
install 22 new packages and also that there a 4 blockers. And then I
only will have konqueror and no control panel or something like that.
Maybe I will try it when I have much spare time. :-)

> The hard part, getting it to run as root.  KDE doesn't like things
> running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow grease.  I use it
> to edit config files and it has to run as root to do that.  I

As root I only use a console on my system. But I think it was no 
problem to use KDE3 as root. IIRC SUSEs DE for root was KDE3 with some
red background wallpaper to remember the user that he is working in a
dangerous environment. :-)

> generally have it open only when I am doing a update tho.  Obviously,
> I never do internet stuff with it either.  < wags finger >

For browsing I use a VM. I'm too paranoid to do this on my host system.

--
Regards
wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 13:49:44 -0500, Dale wrote:

> [ebuild   R    ] kde-apps/konqueror-15.08.3:4/15.08::gentoo 
> USE="bookmarks handbook svg (-aqua) -debug" 0 KiB
> 
> The hard part, getting it to run as root.  KDE doesn't like things
> running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow grease. 

sudo konqueror works here.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

"Theory and practice are the same in theory, but different in practice"

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 13:49:44 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> [ebuild   R    ] kde-apps/konqueror-15.08.3:4/15.08::gentoo 
>> USE="bookmarks handbook svg (-aqua) -debug" 0 KiB
>>
>> The hard part, getting it to run as root.  KDE doesn't like things
>> running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow grease. 
> sudo konqueror works here.
>
>


This works here as a desktop shortcut.

kfmclient openProfile filemanagement 

Never cared much for sudo either. 

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 21:51:24 -0500, Dale wrote:

> >> The hard part, getting it to run as root.  KDE doesn't like things
> >> running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow grease.   

> > sudo konqueror works here.

> This works here as a desktop shortcut.
> 
> kfmclient openProfile filemanagement 

How does that run it as root?

> Never cared much for sudo either. 

If you want to run things as root, it's the obvious choice. Even more so
if you want to run some things as root without a password prompt
(although doing that with a file manager s not a wise move).


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 21:51:24 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>>>> The hard part, getting it to run as root.  KDE doesn't like things
>>>> running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow grease.   
>>> sudo konqueror works here.
>> This works here as a desktop shortcut.
>>
>> kfmclient openProfile filemanagement 
> How does that run it as root?

When I click it, it asks for the root password and after that, it runs
as root just like the old KDE3 did.  It's actually how it worked in KDE3
since I stole it from there. 


>
>> Never cared much for sudo either. 
> If you want to run things as root, it's the obvious choice. Even more so
> if you want to run some things as root without a password prompt
> (although doing that with a file manager s not a wise move).
>
>

I've tried sudo and just don't like it.  Same as I don't like Gnome
either.  It just isn't something I cared for.  Besides, I don't mind
typing in the root password. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[»Q«]

On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 04:52:22 -0500
Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 21:51:24 -0500, Dale wrote:
> >  
> >>>> The hard part, getting it to run as root.  KDE doesn't like
> >>>> things running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow
> >>>> grease.     
> >>> sudo konqueror works here.  
> >> This works here as a desktop shortcut.
> >>
> >> kfmclient openProfile filemanagement   
> > How does that run it as root?  
> 
> When I click it, it asks for the root password and after that, it runs
> as root just like the old KDE3 did.  It's actually how it worked in
> KDE3 since I stole it from there. 

That shouldn't work (and doesn't here) without some more "elbow grease
and hammers" somewhere.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Daniel Frey]

On 03/19/2016 07:56 AM, »Q« wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 04:52:22 -0500
> Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 21:51:24 -0500, Dale wrote:
>>>  
>>>>>> The hard part, getting it to run as root.  KDE doesn't like
>>>>>> things running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow
>>>>>> grease.     
>>>>> sudo konqueror works here.  
>>>> This works here as a desktop shortcut.
>>>>
>>>> kfmclient openProfile filemanagement   
>>> How does that run it as root?  
>>
>> When I click it, it asks for the root password and after that, it runs
>> as root just like the old KDE3 did.  It's actually how it worked in
>> KDE3 since I stole it from there. 
> 
> That shouldn't work (and doesn't here) without some more "elbow grease
> and hammers" somewhere.
> 

Using `kfmclient openProfile filemanagement` doesn't work for me (I
can't browse /root), and `sudo konqueror` doesn't work (can't connect to
X server.)

However, what did work was `kdesu konqueror`, which asked me for the
root password. When I entered it, I can browse /root and create/edit files.

All were done in a terminal as a non-root user.

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Dale]

Daniel Frey wrote:
> On 03/19/2016 07:56 AM, »Q« wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 04:52:22 -0500
>> Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 21:51:24 -0500, Dale wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>>>> The hard part, getting it to run as root.  KDE doesn't like
>>>>>>> things running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow
>>>>>>> grease.     
>>>>>> sudo konqueror works here.  
>>>>> This works here as a desktop shortcut.
>>>>>
>>>>> kfmclient openProfile filemanagement   
>>>> How does that run it as root?  
>>> When I click it, it asks for the root password and after that, it runs
>>> as root just like the old KDE3 did.  It's actually how it worked in
>>> KDE3 since I stole it from there. 
>> That shouldn't work (and doesn't here) without some more "elbow grease
>> and hammers" somewhere.
>>
> Using `kfmclient openProfile filemanagement` doesn't work for me (I
> can't browse /root), and `sudo konqueror` doesn't work (can't connect to
> X server.)
>
> However, what did work was `kdesu konqueror`, which asked me for the
> root password. When I entered it, I can browse /root and create/edit files.
>
> All were done in a terminal as a non-root user.
>
> Dan
>
>
>


It has worked here ever since I switched to KDE4.  It worked just
yesterday and just for giggles, I just checked it again and it worked
like it always has.  As long as it works, I'll keep using it. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 08:24:51 -0700, Daniel Frey wrote:

> Using `kfmclient openProfile filemanagement` doesn't work for me (I
> can't browse /root), and `sudo konqueror` doesn't work (can't connect to
> X server.)

Probably an environment variable not surviving the transition to root,
try sudo -E konqueror.
 
> However, what did work was `kdesu konqueror`, which asked me for the
> root password. When I entered it, I can browse /root and create/edit
> files.

kdesu and kdesudo take care of the fiddly bits involved in running X
programs as a different user (as does sux).


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Philip Webb]

160318 wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> Alan Grimes <ALONZOTG@verizon.net> wrote:
>> Philip Webb wrote:
>>> So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile).
>>> Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps.    
>> The last good version of KDE was 3.5.x.  Then the flood came (Qt 4)

My conclusion at the time was that my current set-up is slightly better :
Fluxbox provides the same basics & is simpler than the KDE 3 environment,
while the KDE apps I use (mainly Konsole Gwenview Okular) are better in 4 .

However, there are  2  small items I really miss : Kmahjongg Kworldclock .
I had them in my previous machine (now stand-by),
but they need a library which I can't install anymore,
so I haven't tried to recreate them in my new machine.
(Yes, I know there is Kmahjongg-4 , but it doesn't do "removed tiles").

> wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
>> What I miss most of all is the fantastic konqueror.
>> It was way better than any other filemanager that I know.

I use Krusader & recommend it very highly for heavy file-lifting :
have you tried it ? -- if not, do : you may well like it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[wabenbau]

Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:

> 160318 wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> > Alan Grimes <ALONZOTG@verizon.net> wrote:  
> >> Philip Webb wrote:  
> >>> So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile).
> >>> Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps.      
> >> The last good version of KDE was 3.5.x.  Then the flood came (Qt
> >> 4)  
> 
> My conclusion at the time was that my current set-up is slightly
> better : Fluxbox provides the same basics & is simpler than the KDE 3
> environment, while the KDE apps I use (mainly Konsole Gwenview
> Okular) are better in 4 .

Do you have installed the complete KDE4? If not, what packages do
you have installed to configure the look and feel of your KDE apps?
 
> However, there are  2  small items I really miss : Kmahjongg
> Kworldclock . I had them in my previous machine (now stand-by),
> but they need a library which I can't install anymore,
> so I haven't tried to recreate them in my new machine.
> (Yes, I know there is Kmahjongg-4 , but it doesn't do "removed
> tiles").
> 
> > wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:  
> >> What I miss most of all is the fantastic konqueror.
> >> It was way better than any other filemanager that I know.  
> 
> I use Krusader & recommend it very highly for heavy file-lifting :
> have you tried it ? -- if not, do : you may well like it.

Thanks for your suggestion.

The dependencies are about the same as I would install konqueror. 
Over 20 new packages and also some blockers.

And it seems that it is such a two panel thing, but that's usually 
not my thing. ;-) 
Is it possible to use tabs and just one panel? And does it have a 
tree mode?

--
Regards
wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Philip Webb]

160318 wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> Do you have installed the complete KDE4? If not, what packages
> do you have installed to configure the look and feel of your KDE apps ?

None that I know of.

>> I use Krusader & recommend it very highly for heavy file-lifting :
>> have you tried it ? -- if not, do : you may well like it.
> Is it possible to use tabs and just one panel ?
> Does it have a tree mode ?

Yes -- I don't know -- Yes.  There are lots of useful features.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[wabenbau]

Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:

> 160318 wabenbau@gmail.com wrote:
> > Do you have installed the complete KDE4? If not, what packages
> > do you have installed to configure the look and feel of your KDE
> > apps ?  
> 
> None that I know of.
> 
> >> I use Krusader & recommend it very highly for heavy file-lifting :
> >> have you tried it ? -- if not, do : you may well like it.  
> > Is it possible to use tabs and just one panel ?
> > Does it have a tree mode ?  
> 
> Yes -- I don't know -- Yes.  There are lots of useful features.

THX for your answer. But after playing around with KDE5 in an VM, I 
think that I probably will try the new dolphin.

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Regards
wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] The war continues.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:55:24 -0400, Alan Grimes wrote:

> One problem is that every time revdep-rebuild is run, it always rebuilds
> all of libreoffice, an 8-hour build. WTF, seriously, WTF?

HTF can we tell you when you haven't provided the output. However, you
may want to read the revdep-rebuild man page on the MASK options.

> I tried to fix it by setting wayland, gles2 and egl to default because
> they were breaking other packages.

Wayland is still experimental, you should expect breakage when using it.

> tortoise ~ # ./pretendupdate

Which does what?

> !!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "app-text/asciidoc" has unmet
> requirements.
> - app-text/asciidoc-8.6.9-r2::gentoo USE="graphviz -examples -highlight
> -test" ABI_X86="64" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="-pypy -python2_7"
> PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 -pypy"
> 
>   The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
>     exactly-one-of ( python_single_target_pypy
> python_single_target_python2_7 )

This one s quite clear, PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET must contain one, and only
one, of pypy or pthhon2_7. yours has neither.

> I've been using Gentoo Every day now for ten years.

Then you should understand the need for detailed error reports and
reading the output from the various commands.

> This is an entirely
> New level of bullshit. =(

Are you still referring to portage's output?...


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Re: [gentoo-user] The war continues.

[Alan Grimes]

>>>>Then you should understand the need for detailed error reports and
reading the output from the various commands.

I always set verbosity to very high or max...

Back in the good old days there was this OS called DOS. All of it's
commands told you what they were and what they were doing by default,
and were, almost universally quite enjoyable to use. =\

These days you just get the next command prompt, and have no idea how
much your previous command might have deleted or otherwise screwed up.


-- 
IQ is a measure of how stupid you feel.

Powers are not rights.

Re: [gentoo-user] The war continues.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 20:26:00 -0400, Alan Grimes wrote:

> >>>>Then you should understand the need for detailed error reports and  
> reading the output from the various commands.
> 
> I always set verbosity to very high or max...

What's the point if you don't include the output is your posts/rants?
 
Anyway, all verbose does is hide the important messages among a load of
trivial messages about everything working as it should.

> Back in the good old days there was this OS called DOS. All of it's
> commands told you what they were and what they were doing by default,
> and were, almost universally quite enjoyable to use. =\
> 
> These days you just get the next command prompt, and have no idea how
> much your previous command might have deleted or otherwise screwed up.

Succeed quietly, fail noisily, it's the Unix way.


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[gentoo-user] Simply approach:: Re: The war continues.

[James]

Alan Grimes <ALONZOTG <at> verizon.net> writes:
 
> My effort to update my syestem continues unabated. =\


I've had a few F'ers in my years of gentoo....

> One problem is that every time revdep-rebuild is run, it always rebuilds
> all of libreoffice, an 8-hour build. WTF, seriously, WTF?

No one tool or one single approach is fool_proof with gentoo.


> I made the mistake of syncing portage again and was thrown back into
> useflag hell:

OK, not syncing may be the best option, but not if you've getting some
corrupt packages. (checksums?)

> I tried to fix it by setting wayland, gles2 and egl to default because
> they were breaking other packages.

OK, since you are the "major surgery point" here is what I suggest.
Copy your /var/lib/portage/world file someplace for safe keeping.

Eliminate all packages that cause you any problems, unless they are critical
@system packages or fundamental to your desktop. If they bark, emerge -C
those complainers, until you can get a stable system. If you have other
gentoo systems, distcc can be your friend. If not, then it takes longer.

 
> I don't even know how to read the current error message:


use 'elogv' to see the error messages in addition to the log files. You do
have make.conf configured to save log files, right?

Also the 'q' applets, a collection of c admin code with vapier's paw_prints
all over them, are excellent and more commonly  know as portage-utils ::
make sure you have them install and have tried out the ones that are
useful for diagnosing your issues. (q --help) for a quick reference.


So, by drastically pruning the system, WE can focus on those error messages,
on your critical system needs. Once that is stable, then add back the
complaining packages, one at a time, perhaps overnight on a long update.
 This is the semantics I use to fix severely borked systems. You run gentoo
long enough, and experiment you are going to bork a few systems. It's kind
of a 'badge of honor' with gentoo, so relax and enjoy the ride. Perhaps a
tasty beverage, pleasing to your palette would allow you to calm down a bit?


h

Re: [gentoo-user] The war continues.

[Fast Turtle]

Before using revdep-rebuild, you need to do a -pW --clean to see
what's old/obsolete on the system. It can clear lots of cruft after
just six months of updates. Once you see what needs to be cleared, you
can do an -a (ask) before remove. Saves you from the sytem pulling
python and fragging portage. Once you've cleaned the system and
updated things, then a revdep-rebuild shouldn't give you too many
problems but if it does, keep in mind that a clean install doesn't
take that long and you get the opurtunity to ensure that all of your
flags (package u/mask) are all correct.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Alan Grimes <ALONZOTG@verizon.net> wrote:
> My effort to update my syestem continues unabated. =\
>
> One problem is that every time revdep-rebuild is run, it always rebuilds
> all of libreoffice, an 8-hour build. WTF, seriously, WTF?
>
> I made the mistake of syncing portage again and was thrown back into
> useflag hell:
>
> I tried to fix it by setting wayland, gles2 and egl to default because
> they were breaking other packages.
>
>
> I don't even know how to read the current error message:
>
> ######
>
> tortoise ~ # ./pretendupdate
>
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies... done!
>
> !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been pulled
> !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict:
>
> media-libs/mesa:0
>
>   (media-libs/mesa-11.1.2-r1:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
> pulled in by
>     (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot)
>
>   (media-libs/mesa-11.1.2-r1:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
>     media-libs/mesa[egl,gbm,gles2?,wayland] required by
> (kde-plasma/kwin-5.5.5:5/5::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
>
> ^^^^^^^
>
>
> It might be possible to solve this slot collision
> by applying all of the following changes:
>    - media-libs/mesa-11.1.2-r1 (Change USE: +wayland +gles2)
>
>
> !!! The ebuild selected to satisfy "app-text/asciidoc" has unmet
> requirements.
> - app-text/asciidoc-8.6.9-r2::gentoo USE="graphviz -examples -highlight
> -test" ABI_X86="64" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="-pypy -python2_7"
> PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 -pypy"
>
>   The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied:
>     exactly-one-of ( python_single_target_pypy
> python_single_target_python2_7 )
>
>   The above constraints are a subset of the following complete expression:
>     exactly-one-of ( python_single_target_pypy
> python_single_target_python2_7 ) python_single_target_pypy? (
> python_targets_pypy ) python_single_target_python2_7? (
> python_targets_python2_7 )
>
> (dependency required by "net-misc/tor-0.2.8.1_alpha::gentoo" [installed])
> (dependency required by "@selected" [set])
> (dependency required by "@world" [argument])
> tortoise ~ #
>
> #####
>
> Current state of mind: put a live hand grenade in to the computer and
> walk away.
>
> I've been using Gentoo Every day now for ten years. This is an entirely
> New level of bullshit. =(
>
>
> Modest list of complete and utter FAIL:
>
> ####
>
> tortoise portage # tree -L 2
> .
> ├── app-office
> │   └── texmacs-1.99.2-r1
> ├── dev-libs
> │   ├── libcdio-0.93
> │   └── libcdio-paranoia-0.93_p1
> ├── dev-qt
> │   └── qtwebkit-5.5.1-r1
> ├── kde-apps
> │   └── kdesdk-kioslaves-15.12.2
> ├── kde-plasma
> │   ├── oxygen-5.5.5
> │   └── oxygen-fonts-5.4.3
> ├── media-gfx
> │   └── fontforge-20150824
> ├── media-libs
> │   ├── opencv-3.1.0-r2
> │   └── x264-0.0.20151011
> └── media-video
>     └── vcdimager-0.7.24
>
> 19 directories, 0 files
> tortoise portage #
>
>
>
> --
> IQ is a measure of how stupid you feel.
>
> Powers are not rights.
>
>