[gentoo-user] KDE's confusing versions

[gentoo-user] KDE's confusing versions

[Philip Webb]

I don't use the KDE desktop & don't want it installed,
but I do regularly use several KDE apps, eg Konsole, Gwenview, Okular.
For a long time, there haven't been stable updates of these apps
& I've continued to run the '4.14.x' versions,
but today Okular 15.08.3-r1 appeared as stable
when I did my weekly update via 'eix-sync'.
I duly emerged it -- I never do 'emerge world' without '-p' --
& it seems to be working as before.

Eix tells me :

  root:504 ~> eix konsole
  [U] kde-apps/konsole
     Available versions:  
     (4) 4.14.3(4/4.14)^t 4.14.3-r2(4/4.14)^t
     (5) ~15.08.3-r1
     {X aqua debug +handbook test}
     Installed versions: 4.14.3(4)^t([2015-10-07 13:08:42])
      (handbook -aqua -debug -minimal -test)

  root:505 ~> eix okular
  [I] kde-apps/okular
     Available versions:
      (4) 4.14.3(4/4.14)^t 15.08.3-r1(4/15.08)^t ~15.12.1(4/15.12)^t
      {aqua chm crypt debug djvu dpi ebook +handbook +jpeg kde mobi
       +pdf +postscript +tiff}
     Installed versions: 15.08.3-r1(4)^t([2016-03-05 18:13:44])
      (crypt handbook jpeg pdf tiff -aqua -chm -debug -djvu -dpi -ebook
       -kde -mobi -postscript)

So Okular 15.08.3-r1 is part of version (4),
but Konsole 15.08.3-r1 is part of version (5).

Can anyone explain this anomaly & how KDE versions are evolving ?

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[gentoo-user] KDE's confusing versions

[Philip Webb]

I don't use the KDE desktop & don't want it installed,
but I do regularly use several KDE apps, eg Konsole, Gwenview, Okular.
For a long time, there haven't been stable updates of these apps
& I've continued to run the '4.14.x' versions,
but today Okular 15.08.3-r1 appeared as stable
when I did my weekly update via 'eix-sync'.
I duly emerged it -- I never do 'emerge world' without '-p' --
& it seems to be working as before.

Eix tells me :

  root:504 ~> eix konsole
  [U] kde-apps/konsole
     Available versions:  
     (4) 4.14.3(4/4.14)^t 4.14.3-r2(4/4.14)^t
     (5) ~15.08.3-r1
     {X aqua debug +handbook test}
     Installed versions: 4.14.3(4)^t([2015-10-07 13:08:42])
      (handbook -aqua -debug -minimal -test)

  root:505 ~> eix okular
  [I] kde-apps/okular
     Available versions:
      (4) 4.14.3(4/4.14)^t 15.08.3-r1(4/15.08)^t ~15.12.1(4/15.12)^t
      {aqua chm crypt debug djvu dpi ebook +handbook +jpeg kde mobi
       +pdf +postscript +tiff}
     Installed versions: 15.08.3-r1(4)^t([2016-03-05 18:13:44])
      (crypt handbook jpeg pdf tiff -aqua -chm -debug -djvu -dpi -ebook
       -kde -mobi -postscript)

So Okular 15.08.3-r1 is part of version (4),
but Konsole 15.08.3-r1 is part of version (5).

Can anyone explain this anomaly & how KDE versions are evolving ?

-- 
========================,,============================================
SUPPORT     ___________//___,   Philip Webb
ELECTRIC   /] [] [] [] [] []|   Cities Centre, University of Toronto
TRANSIT    `-O----------O---'   purslowatchassdotutorontodotca

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE's confusing versions

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 06/03/16 22:37, Philip Webb wrote:
> Eix tells me :
>
>    root:505 ~> eix okular
>    [I] kde-apps/okular
>       Available versions:
>        (4) 4.14.3(4/4.14)^t 15.08.3-r1(4/15.08)^t ~15.12.1(4/15.12)^t
>        {aqua chm crypt debug djvu dpi ebook +handbook +jpeg kde mobi
>         +pdf +postscript +tiff}
>       Installed versions: 15.08.3-r1(4)^t([2016-03-05 18:13:44])
>        (crypt handbook jpeg pdf tiff -aqua -chm -debug -djvu -dpi -ebook
>         -kde -mobi -postscript)
>
> So Okular 15.08.3-r1 is part of version (4),
> but Konsole 15.08.3-r1 is part of version (5).

That's wrong. Okular 15.x is part of KDE Applications 15.08.

I don't know why it's in the "4" slot. But it's wrong. Okular is NOT a 
KDE 4 app.

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE's confusing versions

[Jonathan Callen]

On 03/06/2016 07:06 PM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 06/03/16 22:37, Philip Webb wrote:
>> Eix tells me :
>> 
>> root:505 ~> eix okular [I] kde-apps/okular Available versions: 
>> (4) 4.14.3(4/4.14)^t 15.08.3-r1(4/15.08)^t ~15.12.1(4/15.12)^t 
>> {aqua chm crypt debug djvu dpi ebook +handbook +jpeg kde mobi 
>> +pdf +postscript +tiff} Installed versions: 
>> 15.08.3-r1(4)^t([2016-03-05 18:13:44]) (crypt handbook jpeg pdf 
>> tiff -aqua -chm -debug -djvu -dpi -ebook -kde -mobi -postscript)
>> 
>> So Okular 15.08.3-r1 is part of version (4), but Konsole 
>> 15.08.3-r1 is part of version (5).
> 
> That's wrong. Okular 15.x is part of KDE Applications 15.08.
> 
> I don't know why it's in the "4" slot. But it's wrong. Okular is 
> NOT a KDE 4 app.
> 
> 

Some packages in KDE Applications have been ported to use the new KDE
Frameworks 5 libraries.  Those packages are in slot :5.  Other
packages have not yet (or had not yet) been updated, and still link
against kdelibs:4.  Those packages are in slot :4.  We are simply
following upstream in the versioning scheme (with regards to
everything being "15.12" for the December release, or "15.08" for the
October release).

Note that upstream split the old "KDE Software Compilation" (formerly
"KDE Desktop Environment") into three separate parts: KDE Frameworks,
Plasma, and KDE Applications.

-- 
Jonathan Callen

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE's confusing versions

[James]

Jonathan Callen <jcallen <at> gentoo.org> writes:



> Note that upstream split the old "KDE Software Compilation" (formerly
> "KDE Desktop Environment") into three separate parts: KDE Frameworks,
> Plasma, and KDE Applications.


So does this mean that a system can install lxqt(5) and pick out of the
many kde applications to install and not have all the other kde baggage?

If so, is there a list of which kde applications can be installed without
the KDE bloat (simple QT5) requirements?



curiously,
James

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE's confusing versions

[Michael Palimaka]

On 08/03/16 03:55, James wrote:
> Jonathan Callen <jcallen <at> gentoo.org> writes:
> 
> 
> 
>> Note that upstream split the old "KDE Software Compilation" (formerly
>> "KDE Desktop Environment") into three separate parts: KDE Frameworks,
>> Plasma, and KDE Applications.
> 
> 
> So does this mean that a system can install lxqt(5) and pick out of the
> many kde applications to install and not have all the other kde baggage?
> 
> If so, is there a list of which kde applications can be installed without
> the KDE bloat (simple QT5) requirements?

You've always been able to pick and choose individual KDE applications
without installing all of KDE, although in KDE 4 we did recommend also
installing one of the smaller meta packages (eg.
kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta) to ensure everything worked correctly.

You can identify KF5/Qt5-based applications based on their slot.
Something like eix kde-apps/ --slot 5 should give the full list of
what's available so far.

[gentoo-user] Re: KDE's confusing versions

[James]

Michael Palimaka <kensington <at> gentoo.org> writes:


> > If so, is there a list of which kde applications can be installed without
> > the KDE bloat (simple QT5) requirements?

> You've always been able to pick and choose individual KDE applications
> without installing all of KDE, although in KDE 4 we did recommend also
> installing one of the smaller meta packages (eg.
> kde-apps/kdebase-runtime-meta) to ensure everything worked correctly.

It's been a few years for me on KDE, so this is good news to know.
The simplicity of lxde has been very nice and the resource demand
is so low it's just wonderful. I'm going to set up a new workstation
based on lxqt(5), and gcc-5.3.


> You can identify KF5/Qt5-based applications based on their slot.
> Something like eix kde-apps/ --slot 5 should give the full list of
> what's available so far.


Ah!  very nice. I did not know that slot 5 is where all the kde (qt5) 
compatible packages are group. Very cool usage of the slot, methinks.
Nice option for eix on the /category/ and slot number.


thx,
James