From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FBE13881B for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 20:12:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E90321C030; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 20:12:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E90B7E0879 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 20:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZeTus-0001xA-Ob for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 22:11:55 +0200 Received: from rrcs-71-40-157-251.se.biz.rr.com ([71.40.157.251]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 22:11:54 +0200 Received: from wireless by rrcs-71-40-157-251.se.biz.rr.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 22:11:54 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: James Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: update problems Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 20:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <87eghucic9.fsf@heimdali.yagibdah.de> <55FDBE16.1070404@gmail.com> <55FDE5C9.6070801@gmail.com> <20150920003753.GN1080@ca.inter.net> <20150920125220.1383b154@digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 71.40.157.251 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/38.0 SeaMonkey/2.35) X-Archives-Salt: c80d0c8e-7424-4566-b90f-8135181e6cf0 X-Archives-Hash: 557724e1bdca1680570f651421006c50 Rich Freeman gentoo.org> writes: > So, kicking the overworked portage team with stuff like "Gentoo has a > lousy package manager" is not helpful and certainly violates the CoC. > I don't see that here. +1 > On the other hand, that doesn't mean that we all need to line up and > drink the kool aide and say that the behavior pointed out in the > original message is desired behavior. Is the kool_aide spike with 151 rum? just curious.... > We can acknowledge that bugs exist without lining up with signs > demanding their immediate fix. The portage team does great work, but > the fact that package runtime dependencies can vary so much compared > to a binary distro greatly complicates the dependency-resolution > problem. So do some of our package-maintenance practices, and those > are being looked at right now. DAG nabbit, I thought I understood the problem and then lost focus? > Just doing that alone would probably triage a > large number of issues that confuse users which makes them somewhat > happier and cuts down on list traffic. and take our fun away? Now you're moving to my side of the installer issue? ;-) James