From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76DCD139894 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 15:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E1FAE07FB; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 15:37:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2347E07D1 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 15:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTto5-0003Ep-DG for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 17:37:09 +0200 Received: from rrcs-71-40-157-251.se.biz.rr.com ([71.40.157.251]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 17:37:09 +0200 Received: from wireless by rrcs-71-40-157-251.se.biz.rr.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2015 17:37:09 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: James Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge world looking grim Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 15:36:53 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <87lhd1ig1t.fsf@reader.local.lan> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 71.40.157.251 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0 SeaMonkey/2.33.1) X-Archives-Salt: d2cacf02-9cf3-4c9f-aff2-9af1a463a2cf X-Archives-Hash: 9ca6d8c77e114c1bdfdaabb8f36a7370 Rich Freeman gentoo.org> writes: > In any case, the notes as they currently stand are not something I'd > recommend to a new user. They're fine for experienced users looking > for the "short version." When I get them integrated into the handbook > I think it will be an overall improvement and usable for new users. Harry indicated he had been using Gentoo a long time. Harry was looking for "iso" or what I interpreted as easy installation choices. I spend the weekend updated some vintage boxes from around 2010 as the last update. Educational to say the least. distcc is need and a better massive archive of the /distfiles/ as I wasted more time trying to find over versions of things like gnuconfig and such. Other that that, I just removed KDE and updated the portage and @system. I did drop the profile to the simplest version I could and only updated critical codes like bash, python and gcc. Actually, it was very easy and could be "automated" too. Just wait until it's about 8 months old on the snapshot updates and then wait (forever) for a current emerge --sync...... Harry's description of the VM details was unclear so that motivated me to put your instructions up as a reference for Harry to read. I understand it's not finished, but VM installs of Gentoo are interesting to lots of folks to read about, even if they are not quite ready to recommend to a noob. Harry is not a noob, probably just busy and a bit gentoo_lazy like many of us. I remember Harry and he seemed 'confident' with gentoo before...... I agree with all you have said, and it sounds good; particularly the part on keeping openrc or systemd choices simple to understand and follow regardless of the choice a user makes. This duality (systemd and openrc) is keenly interesting at this time in linux evolution and Gentoo is uniquely strong in this consternation dichotomy. Your plans do sound very attractive. I'm ultimately a believer in that we need to have a matrix of installation options based on refinement of the those earlier 'PreQualifying Questions' I posted. I think I'm going to purse that, so that many different installation semantics for gentoo and gentoo derivatives close to the tree are available for all to enjoy. There are other works progressing on installation semantics and for me, this is all very exciting. I shall await your postings for further testing. Are you going to roll out some "notes" on putting raid-1::btrfs onto HD? Or just the VM install? I think the more different ways folks approach installing Gentoo, the better and it is quite educational to look at the different approaches in the various install semantics for gentoo. I'm personally looking forward to the 'stage-4' offerings and have been playing around myself with clonezilla [1]. I, and many others certainly do appreciate your work and explanations and perspective on installing gentoo. I do agree that genkernel is dated too. James [1] http://clonezilla.org/