[gentoo-user] OT: is your metadata safe?

[gentoo-user] OT: is your metadata safe?

[James]

Well, the "media" like to project that everything was fine, before Snowden
did his thing. I, like many with deep roots in communications beyond TCP/IP
have known better for a long time. I was perusing some published documents
of an ILEC that wants me to do some work (a mesos cluster no less). Then I
ran across this document, by accident [1].


So now that my privacy of "phone records" has been wrestled from the hands
of the NSA, and place with the Telco, conglomerates, boy why do I not feel
safer? Congress has assured me that my personal data is now safe?

"ICP" or Integrated Communications Provider is the jargon by which all
attempts to keep our personal data, personal, are completely circumvented.
Just read the patent, award makes not differnce, as these carrier databases
have already been compile with numerous net data bases, so our privacy is
already completely compromised.

And folks in other countries, besides the good ole USA, your asses have been
"owned" for even longer.....

So I suggest we call have a shot or 2 of Tequila this weekend, get naked,
and party like you've got nothing left to hide; cause you don't!

cheers mate!

James

[1] http://www.google.com/patents/US20010034627

Re: [gentoo-user] OT: is your metadata safe?

[Mick]

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On Thursday 04 Jun 2015 18:07:04 James wrote:
> Well, the "media" like to project that everything was fine, before Snowden
> did his thing. I, like many with deep roots in communications beyond TCP/IP
> have known better for a long time. I was perusing some published documents
> of an ILEC that wants me to do some work (a mesos cluster no less). Then I
> ran across this document, by accident [1].

As I understand it from a cursory look, this document explains how unbundling 
can occur so that suppliers can provide internet services to consumers, using 
a competitor's infrastructure.  If anything, it tries to reverse the 
oligopolistic cartel of ISPs that is so prevalent in the US among cable 
providers.


> So now that my privacy of "phone records" has been wrestled from the hands
> of the NSA, and place with the Telco, conglomerates, boy why do I not feel
> safer? Congress has assured me that my personal data is now safe?

Due to a 40 year dogma of privatisation of public services, all this data was 
always provided and managed by Telcos and private enterprises, on behalf of 
the NSA.  Who did you think Snowden was working for?  So the latest provisions 
pushed onto you by your government as something <aheam!> safer, can mean only 
one thing:  same men, different trousers.  Carry on, as you were lads!


> "ICP" or Integrated Communications Provider is the jargon by which all
> attempts to keep our personal data, personal, are completely circumvented.
> Just read the patent, award makes not differnce, as these carrier databases
> have already been compile with numerous net data bases, so our privacy is
> already completely compromised.

This I think refers to cross charging and management of users accounts to 
provide ease of transfer between providers (and therefore facilitate 
competition and better end user services/prices).  I haven't read it in depth, 
but this is what a quick scan of it tells me.


> And folks in other countries, besides the good ole USA, your asses have
> been "owned" for even longer.....

Have you asked your senator how much $$$ is your government paying the secret 
services of other governments to provide information on their own as well as 
US citizens?


> So I suggest we call have a shot or 2 of Tequila this weekend, get naked,
> and party like you've got nothing left to hide; cause you don't!

I think that strong encryption with good RNGs still works, if Snowden is to be 
believed.  But ... I suspect this is only a matter of buying you some more 
time.


> cheers mate!
> 
> James
> 
> [1] http://www.google.com/patents/US20010034627

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Regards,
Mick

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[gentoo-user] Re: OT: is your metadata safe?

[James]

Mick <michaelkintzios <at> gmail.com> writes:

> 
> On Thursday 04 Jun 2015 18:07:04 James wrote:
> > Well, the "media" like to project that everything was fine, before Snowden
> > did his thing. I, like many with deep roots in communications beyond TCP/IP
> > have known better for a long time. I was perusing some published documents
> > of an ILEC that wants me to do some work (a mesos cluster no less). Then I
> > ran across this document, by accident [1].
> 
> As I understand it from a cursory look, this document explains how unbundling 
> can occur so that suppliers can provide internet services to consumers, using 
> a competitor's infrastructure.  If anything, it tries to reverse the 
> oligopolistic cartel of ISPs that is so prevalent in the US among cable 
> providers.
> 
> > So now that my privacy of "phone records" has been wrestled from the hands
> > of the NSA, and place with the Telco, conglomerates, boy why do I not feel
> > safer? Congress has assured me that my personal data is now safe?
> 
> Due to a 40 year dogma of privatisation of public services, all this data was 
> always provided and managed by Telcos and private enterprises, on behalf of 
> the NSA.  Who did you think Snowden was working for?  So the latest
provisions 
> pushed onto you by your government as something <aheam!> safer, can mean only 
> one thing:  same men, different trousers.  Carry on, as you were lads!
> 
> > "ICP" or Integrated Communications Provider is the jargon by which all
> > attempts to keep our personal data, personal, are completely circumvented.
> > Just read the patent, award makes not differnce, as these carrier databases
> > have already been compile with numerous net data bases, so our privacy is
> > already completely compromised.
> 
> This I think refers to cross charging and management of users accounts to 
> provide ease of transfer between providers (and therefore facilitate 
> competition and better end user services/prices).  I haven't read it in
depth, 
> but this is what a quick scan of it tells me.

SS7 (The north American "switching standard") where the tariffs are still
enforced is where the phone "meta-data" comes from regardless of how it is
originated. Now, All data from an ISP, Telco
web company, social media or anything else can all be moved between "ICPs"
for business (sales) purposes now via this document and many others. What's
new is the Feds will be paying gargantuan sums of money to the telcos now
to keep data they already maintain.....


> > And folks in other countries, besides the good ole USA, your asses have
> > been "owned" for even longer.....
> 
> Have you asked your senator how much $$$ is your government paying the secret 
> services of other governments to provide information on their own as well as 
> US citizens?

Yes this is the back door that has always existed and all advanced countries
use it. The "agencies" just buy the data from offshore sources;
thus circumventing domestic restrictions. That was/is a fundamental tenet of
"signal intercept".

Did you notice that after the fall, of the Berlin wall (nov 1989), the good
ole USA needed a new boogey man to justify spending billions and billions to
keep us secure? The  Internet security business opened in 1990 via public
access to the Internet.


Soon it will be those evil Chinese. Taxpayers pay; so the politicians
and can play..... There has to be a boogey man, to justify spending billions
on keeping us safe.


> > So I suggest we call have a shot or 2 of Tequila this weekend, get naked,
> > and party like you've got nothing left to hide; cause you don't!
> 
> I think that strong encryption with good RNGs still works, if Snowden is
to be 
> believed.  But ... I suspect this is only a matter of buying you some more 
> time.
> 
> > cheers mate!
> > James
> > [1] http://www.google.com/patents/US20010034627


The Onion with strong encryption does delay the process. But there's 
too much advanced hardware available if they really want to decipher
a particular stream of data.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: is your metadata safe?

[Mick]

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On Friday 05 Jun 2015 18:38:57 James wrote:
> Soon it will be those evil Chinese. Taxpayers pay; so the politicians
> and can play..... There has to be a boogey man, to justify spending
> billions on keeping us safe.

Yep!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33028158

I don't know if the timing of this news article is merely a misdirection from 
the Freedom Act, or if it seeks to justify it in the mind of those who think 
the Internet is something you run from the Start button on your desktop.

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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: is your metadata safe?

[Bruce Hill]

On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 05:38:57PM +0000, James wrote:
> 
> SS7 (The north American "switching standard") where the tariffs are still
> enforced is where the phone "meta-data" comes from regardless of how it is
> originated. Now, All data from an ISP, Telco
> web company, social media or anything else can all be moved between "ICPs"
> for business (sales) purposes now via this document and many others. What's
> new is the Feds will be paying gargantuan sums of money to the telcos now
> to keep data they already maintain.....
> 
> Yes this is the back door that has always existed and all advanced countries
> use it. The "agencies" just buy the data from offshore sources;
> thus circumventing domestic restrictions. That was/is a fundamental tenet of
> "signal intercept".
> 
> Did you notice that after the fall, of the Berlin wall (nov 1989), the good
> ole USA needed a new boogey man to justify spending billions and billions to
> keep us secure? The  Internet security business opened in 1990 via public
> access to the Internet.
> 
> 
> Soon it will be those evil Chinese. Taxpayers pay; so the politicians
> and can play..... There has to be a boogey man, to justify spending billions
> on keeping us safe.
> 
> The Onion with strong encryption does delay the process. But there's 
> too much advanced hardware available if they really want to decipher
> a particular stream of data.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not
sure about the former."

[gentoo-user] Re: OT: is your metadata safe?

[James]

Bruce Hill <daddy <at> happypenguincomputers.com> writes:



> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not
> sure about the former."


Your probably looking in the mirror too much. 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: is your metadata safe?

[J. Roeleveld]

On 8 June 2015 06:09:30 CEST, James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>Bruce Hill <daddy <at> happypenguincomputers.com> writes:
>
>
>
>> "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and
>I'm not
>> sure about the former."
>
>
>Your probably looking in the mirror too much. 

Considering it was Albert Einstein that said that, this sounds like a compliment.

--
Joost
-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: is your metadata safe?

[Bruce Hill]

On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 04:09:30AM +0000, James wrote:
> Bruce Hill <daddy <at> happypenguincomputers.com> writes:
> 
> 
> 
> > "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not
> > sure about the former."
> 
> 
> Your probably looking in the mirror too much. 

I *do*, sir. The comment is about those in government, not you.