From: James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Safeguarding strategies against SSD data loss
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:15:22 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <loom.20141027T154955-641@post.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: CAGfcS_mbyhQ4hWW20h7g0WmR8Xx5iNVK1dFjSm=pcW9kNrcp4Q@mail.gmail.com
Rich Freeman <rich0 <at> gentoo.org> writes:
> > On 27/10/2014 11:24, Mick wrote:
> >>> With a caveat: if an ssd dies, it will die suddenly. Without warning.
With SSD the most important fact to keep constantly in mind is
writing/erasing by blocks due to uniqueness of the hardware.
Unfortunately, if you dig deeply, many Solid State Storage devices
are organized differently and those hardware differences may impact
your SSD_specific implementation details. SSD raid redundancy is
something most machines (folks) cannot afford, imho and may be a waist
to dis_functional if you employ the same semantics for I/O on the
redundant SSD hardware.
[1]
http://codecapsule.com/2014/02/12/coding-for-ssds-part-6-a-summary-what-every-programmer-should-know-about-solid-state-drives/
> >> In such cases I am prepared to live with the risk of some
> >> data loss, on machines where raid is not an option.
Wise with a well thought out (planned) recovery/fresh-install strategy.
> > Without some form of redundancy that would be your best strategy -
> > decent and frequent backups
> But yes, backup and RAID are really your only options for SSD failure
> as far as I can see it. That and limiting the amount of data that
> can't be re-generated. If you just save the world file and all of
> /etc you could probably rebuild a Gentoo install fairly quickly on a
> new drive, and then you're just left with /home and whatever else you
> happen to have installed that sticks stuff in /var that you care
> about.
Yep. Rich has it exactly right. I'd add /usr/local/*
as by design that is where I put most uniqueness in any linux system
besides the list above.
In fact for small networks, I just identify the directories that I want
to preserve. At the least you rsysnc those to a differnet system
on the local net, besides a backup, if no raid is underneath. (Triple).
Obviously, you have all systems on UPS power......?
I'd add any dirs with custom scripts and the kernel files also minimally
replicated to another system. A comprehensive list of critical files
is fine. Workstations and servers have different lists of critial files;
and you can further subdivide the servers by function, to focus
on those critical files and directories. So what is on the SSD that is
important, just replicate it to a spinning HD on the local net. None
of this replaces weekly backups, but give you a tertiary level of
recovery redundancy for the important stuff. Triple redundancy is keenly
important for all critical stuff; ymmv.
Personally, I find max-ram and spinning HD to be the best bang for the
buck. But, many folks with older portables are usually really happy with
SSD as a replacement (single) drive that is cost effective but needs
a network backup.
[2]
http://serverfault.com/questions/454775/is-post-sudden-power-loss-filesystem-corruption-on-an-ssd-drives-ext3-partition
hth,
James
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-10-27 15:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-10-27 9:24 [gentoo-user] Safeguarding strategies against SSD data loss Mick
2014-10-27 10:30 ` Alec Ten Harmsel
2014-10-27 11:11 ` Alan McKinnon
2014-10-27 13:13 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-27 15:15 ` James [this message]
2014-10-27 15:23 ` [gentoo-user] " Mick
2014-10-27 15:22 ` [gentoo-user] " Mick
2014-10-27 15:36 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-27 16:52 ` Pandu Poluan
2014-10-27 17:26 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-10-27 17:30 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-28 0:41 ` Pandu Poluan
2014-10-28 1:13 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-28 3:45 ` Tom H
2014-10-27 17:23 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-10-27 17:37 ` Rich Freeman
2014-10-28 0:56 ` Pandu Poluan
2014-10-28 3:49 ` Tom H
2014-10-27 17:20 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-10-27 17:17 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2014-10-27 12:27 ` Philip Webb
2014-10-27 14:12 ` [gentoo-user] Safeguarding strategies against SSD data loss : PS Philip Webb
2014-10-27 15:16 ` [gentoo-user] Safeguarding strategies against SSD data loss Mick
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