[gentoo-user] "stack-protector-strong" option results in gcc error

[gentoo-user] "stack-protector-strong" option results in gcc error

[Walter Dnes]

  I did an emerge update just now, and figured it was time to jump to
the latest stable kernel (3.14.16).  I ran "make oldconfig".  Amongst
the new features, I selected "stack-protector-strong".  When trying to
build the new kernel, I got...

scripts/kconfig/conf --silentoldconfig Kconfig
Makefile:615: Cannot use CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG: -fstack-protector-strong not supported by compiler
  SYSHDR  arch/x86/syscalls/../include/generated/uapi/asm/unistd_32.h
  SYSHDR  arch/x86/syscalls/../include/generated/uapi/asm/unistd_64.h
  SYSHDR  arch/x86/syscalls/../include/generated/uapi/asm/unistd_x32.h
  SYSTBL  arch/x86/syscalls/../include/generated/asm/syscalls_32.h
  HOSTCC  arch/x86/tools/relocs_32.o
  HOSTCC  arch/x86/tools/relocs_64.o
  HOSTCC  arch/x86/tools/relocs_common.o
  HOSTLD  arch/x86/tools/relocs
  CHK     include/config/kernel.release
  UPD     include/config/kernel.release
  WRAP    arch/x86/include/generated/asm/clkdev.h
  CHK     include/generated/uapi/linux/version.h
  UPD     include/generated/uapi/linux/version.h
  CHK     include/generated/utsrelease.h
  UPD     include/generated/utsrelease.h
  CC      kernel/bounds.s
gcc: error: unrecognized command line option '-fstack-protector-strong'
make[1]: *** [kernel/bounds.s] Error 1
make: *** [prepare0] Error 2

  I switched stack-protector to "regular", and it built OK.  I rebooted
into it, and it works OK.

  My gcc version data...

[d531][root][/usr/src/linux] gcc --version
gcc (Gentoo 4.7.3-r1 p1.4, pie-0.5.5) 4.7.3
Copyright (C) 2012 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

  My install is 32-bit

[d531][waltdnes][~] uname -a
Linux d531 3.14.16-gentoo #1 SMP Mon Sep 22 20:43:33 EDT 2014 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4600 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

-- 
Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

Re: [gentoo-user] "stack-protector-strong" option results in gcc error

[Alexander Kapshuk]

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:49 AM, Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:
>   I did an emerge update just now, and figured it was time to jump to
> the latest stable kernel (3.14.16).  I ran "make oldconfig".  Amongst
> the new features, I selected "stack-protector-strong".  When trying to
> build the new kernel, I got...
>
> scripts/kconfig/conf --silentoldconfig Kconfig
> Makefile:615: Cannot use CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR_STRONG: -fstack-protector-strong not supported by compiler
>   SYSHDR  arch/x86/syscalls/../include/generated/uapi/asm/unistd_32.h
>   SYSHDR  arch/x86/syscalls/../include/generated/uapi/asm/unistd_64.h
>   SYSHDR  arch/x86/syscalls/../include/generated/uapi/asm/unistd_x32.h
>   SYSTBL  arch/x86/syscalls/../include/generated/asm/syscalls_32.h
>   HOSTCC  arch/x86/tools/relocs_32.o
>   HOSTCC  arch/x86/tools/relocs_64.o
>   HOSTCC  arch/x86/tools/relocs_common.o
>   HOSTLD  arch/x86/tools/relocs
>   CHK     include/config/kernel.release
>   UPD     include/config/kernel.release
>   WRAP    arch/x86/include/generated/asm/clkdev.h
>   CHK     include/generated/uapi/linux/version.h
>   UPD     include/generated/uapi/linux/version.h
>   CHK     include/generated/utsrelease.h
>   UPD     include/generated/utsrelease.h
>   CC      kernel/bounds.s
> gcc: error: unrecognized command line option '-fstack-protector-strong'
> make[1]: *** [kernel/bounds.s] Error 1
> make: *** [prepare0] Error 2
>
>   I switched stack-protector to "regular", and it built OK.  I rebooted
> into it, and it works OK.
>
>   My gcc version data...
>
> [d531][root][/usr/src/linux] gcc --version
> gcc (Gentoo 4.7.3-r1 p1.4, pie-0.5.5) 4.7.3
> Copyright (C) 2012 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
>
>   My install is 32-bit
>
> [d531][waltdnes][~] uname -a
> Linux d531 3.14.16-gentoo #1 SMP Mon Sep 22 20:43:33 EDT 2014 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4600 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
>
> --
> Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
> I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
>

Looks like support for '-fstack-protector-strong' was implemented in
more recent versions of gcc. The the URL below for details:

https://securityblog.redhat.com/tag/stack-protector/

Re: [gentoo-user] "stack-protector-strong" option results in gcc error

[Walter Dnes]

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 09:16:42AM +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote
> 
> Looks like support for '-fstack-protector-strong' was implemented in
> more recent versions of gcc. The the URL below for details:
> 
> https://securityblog.redhat.com/tag/stack-protector/

  Thanks for the explanation.  The blog says...

> GCC 4.8.1 and the GCC version in Fedora 19 added another mode,
> -fstack-protector-strong, bringing the number of stack protector
> modes up to three.

  Gentoo stable appears to be gcc-4.7.3-r1.  ebuilds up to gcc-4.9.1 are
present in the tree.  Upgrading gcc is painful, so I appreciate the
maintainers not forcing a rebuild with every version bump.  That's the
philosophy behind "stable".  The tradeoff is that we have to wait longer
for "new and shiney" stuff.  For those who want it, you can always
keyword a later version of gcc.

-- 
Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications

[gentoo-user] Re: "stack-protector-strong" option results in gcc error

[Nikos Chantziaras]

On 23/09/14 11:54, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 09:16:42AM +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote
>>
>> Looks like support for '-fstack-protector-strong' was implemented in
>> more recent versions of gcc. The the URL below for details:
>>
>> https://securityblog.redhat.com/tag/stack-protector/
>
>    Thanks for the explanation.  The blog says...
>
>> GCC 4.8.1 and the GCC version in Fedora 19 added another mode,
>> -fstack-protector-strong, bringing the number of stack protector
>> modes up to three.
>
>    Gentoo stable appears to be gcc-4.7.3-r1.  ebuilds up to gcc-4.9.1 are
> present in the tree.  Upgrading gcc is painful, so I appreciate the
> maintainers not forcing a rebuild with every version bump.

You don't need to upgrade. You can just install it in parallel with your 
current GCC, and use the newer one just to build the kernel.

Re: [gentoo-user] "stack-protector-strong" option results in gcc error

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 04:54:03 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:

>   Gentoo stable appears to be gcc-4.7.3-r1.  ebuilds up to gcc-4.9.1 are
> present in the tree.  Upgrading gcc is painful, so I appreciate the
> maintainers not forcing a rebuild with every version bump.

Upgrading gcc hasn't been painful for some years. I think 3.3 to 3.4 was
the last one with an ABI change that needed a world rebuild for
consistency. Since then, upgrading GCC has been no more troublesome than
upgrading sys-apps/helloworld.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

"Most problems go away if you just wait long enough. It might look like
I'm standing motionless but I'm actively waiting for our problems to go
away. I don't know why this works but it does."
Scott Adams, Dilbert comic

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Re: [gentoo-user] "stack-protector-strong" option results in gcc error

[Hinnerk van Bruinehsen]

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On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 09:16:42AM +0300, Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:49 AM, Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:
> >   CHK     include/generated/utsrelease.h
> >   UPD     include/generated/utsrelease.h
> >   CC      kernel/bounds.s
> > gcc: error: unrecognized command line option '-fstack-protector-strong'
> > make[1]: *** [kernel/bounds.s] Error 1
> > make: *** [prepare0] Error 2
> >
> >   I switched stack-protector to "regular", and it built OK.  I rebooted
> > into it, and it works OK.
> >
> >   My gcc version data...
> >
> > [d531][root][/usr/src/linux] gcc --version
> > gcc (Gentoo 4.7.3-r1 p1.4, pie-0.5.5) 4.7.3
> > Copyright (C) 2012 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
> > This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
> > warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
> >
> >   My install is 32-bit
> >
> > [d531][waltdnes][~] uname -a
> > Linux d531 3.14.16-gentoo #1 SMP Mon Sep 22 20:43:33 EDT 2014 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4600 @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
> >
> > --
> > Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
> > I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
> >
> 
> Looks like support for '-fstack-protector-strong' was implemented in
> more recent versions of gcc. The the URL below for details:
> 
> https://securityblog.redhat.com/tag/stack-protector/

'-fstack-protector-strong' is supported as of gcc-4.9.x - unless you upgrade,
you'll forced to use the regular one.

If you want more information on the option take a look here:
http://www.outflux.net/blog/archives/2014/01/27/fstack-protector-strong/

I think it's not even that unlikely that you don't even want the strong
version.

WKR
Hinnerk

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Re: [gentoo-user] "stack-protector-strong" option results in gcc error

[Rich Freeman]

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
<h.v.bruinehsen@fu-berlin.de> wrote:
>
> '-fstack-protector-strong' is supported as of gcc-4.9.x - unless you upgrade,
> you'll forced to use the regular one.
>...
> I think it's not even that unlikely that you don't even want the strong
> version.

Ironically enough, your last sentence overflowed my parsing stack.  :)

--
Rich

Re: [gentoo-user] "stack-protector-strong" option results in gcc error

[J. Roeleveld]

On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 08:47:31 AM Rich Freeman wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
> 
> <h.v.bruinehsen@fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> > '-fstack-protector-strong' is supported as of gcc-4.9.x - unless you
> > upgrade, you'll forced to use the regular one.
> >
> >...
> >
> > I think it's not even that unlikely that you don't even want the strong
> > version.
> 
> Ironically enough, your last sentence overflowed my parsing stack.  :)
> 
> --
> Rich

I am guessing:
" I think it is not unlikely that you don't want the strong version"

parses to:

" I think it is likely that you don't want the strong version "
 or: " I think it is unlikely that you want the strong version"

?

--
Joost

Re: [gentoo-user] "stack-protector-strong" option results in gcc error

[Michael Orlitzky]

On 09/23/2014 04:54 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> 
>   Gentoo stable appears to be gcc-4.7.3-r1.  ebuilds up to gcc-4.9.1 are
> present in the tree.  Upgrading gcc is painful, so I appreciate the
> maintainers not forcing a rebuild with every version bump.  That's the
> philosophy behind "stable".  The tradeoff is that we have to wait longer
> for "new and shiney" stuff.  For those who want it, you can always
> keyword a later version of gcc.
> 

Stabilization of GCC is especially careful because if your GCC winds up
broken, you might not be able to fix it (emerge won't work).

And since GCC is used to build everything else on your system, it can't
go stable until all upstream packages are fixed or patched to work with
the new GCC.

There's usually a tracker for those packages. For gcc-4.9 it's at,

  https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=gcc-4.9

Re: [gentoo-user] "stack-protector-strong" option results in gcc error

[Hinnerk van Bruinehsen]

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On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 09:33:45AM -0400, Michael Orlitzky wrote:
> On 09/23/2014 04:54 AM, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > 
> >   Gentoo stable appears to be gcc-4.7.3-r1.  ebuilds up to gcc-4.9.1 are
> > present in the tree.  Upgrading gcc is painful, so I appreciate the
> > maintainers not forcing a rebuild with every version bump.  That's the
> > philosophy behind "stable".  The tradeoff is that we have to wait longer
> > for "new and shiney" stuff.  For those who want it, you can always
> > keyword a later version of gcc.
> > 
> 
> Stabilization of GCC is especially careful because if your GCC winds up
> broken, you might not be able to fix it (emerge won't work).
> 
> And since GCC is used to build everything else on your system, it can't
> go stable until all upstream packages are fixed or patched to work with
> the new GCC.
> 
> There's usually a tracker for those packages. For gcc-4.9 it's at,
> 
>   https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=gcc-4.9


Since gcc is slotted (I actually have 4.7, 4.8 and 4.9 on my systems). That
argument doesn't count much, imho.
I personally didn't encounter a single breakage after updating from 4.8 to 4.9
(this was different from 4.7 to 4.8).
IIRC 4.7 isn't supported by upstream anymore and there are known (security)
bugs. I don't really know why not at least 4.8 is stable.

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Re: [gentoo-user] "stack-protector-strong" option results in gcc error

[Hinnerk van Bruinehsen]

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On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 03:06:20PM +0200, J. Roeleveld wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 08:47:31 AM Rich Freeman wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 7:52 AM, Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
> > 
> > <h.v.bruinehsen@fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> > > '-fstack-protector-strong' is supported as of gcc-4.9.x - unless you
> > > upgrade, you'll forced to use the regular one.
> > >
> > >...
> > >
> > > I think it's not even that unlikely that you don't even want the strong
> > > version.
> > 
> > Ironically enough, your last sentence overflowed my parsing stack.  :)
> > 
> > --
> > Rich
> 
> I am guessing:
> " I think it is not unlikely that you don't want the strong version"
> 
> parses to:
> 
> " I think it is likely that you don't want the strong version "
>  or: " I think it is unlikely that you want the strong version"
> 
> ?

Thanks for translating me! ;-)

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[gentoo-user] Re: "stack-protector-strong" option results in gcc error

[James]

Rich Freeman <rich0 <at> gentoo.org> writes:


> > '-fstack-protector-strong' is supported as of gcc-4.9.x - unless you 
> > upgrade, you'll forced to use the regular one.

> > I think it's not even that unlikely that you don't even want the strong
> > version.

> Ironically enough, your last sentence overflowed my parsing stack.  :)


From: https://securityblog.redhat.com/tag/stack-protector/
"The GCC flags -fstack-protector and -fstack-protector-all activate the
Stack Smashing Protector (SSP). When any of these flags are used, GCC
instruments the function return instruction with a probabilistic check that
the stack frame is not corrupted. "

From: 
http://www.outflux.net/blog/archives/2014/01/27/fstack-protector-strong/

"The stack protector feature itself adds a known canary to the stack during
function preamble, and checks it when the function returns.  "

Bug 517428 was/is a request to setup Ftrace/trace-cmd/KernelShark
as a fine-grained tool, for such  issuses as fstack-protector events.

As we all know, I'm still struggling with learning the ebuild_gymnasitcs,
but  bug 517428 is looking(begging) for a knowledgable person to get an
Ftrace/trace-cmd/kernelshark  ebuild working. This will provide a
fantastic tool for low-level as well as application code  diagnostics.


:)
hth,
James
	
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ftrace

[gentoo-user] Re:

[James]

James <wireless <at> tampabay.rr.com> writes:

> Rich Freeman <rich0 <at> gentoo.org> writes:

> > > '-fstack-protector-strong' is supported as of gcc-4.9.x - unless you 
> > > upgrade, you'll forced to use the regular one.

There is an old but very concise example of Ftrace/trace-cmd/kernelshark
for anyone interested.

https://events.linuxfoundation.org/slides/2010/
linuxcon_japan/linuxcon_jp2010_rostedt.pdf

Or just seach directly for the pdf:

linuxcon_jp2010_rostedt.pdf

A very interesting tool.


hth,
James