From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257E9138247 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B06CDE0B32; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:49:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3CAEE0A63 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF36233F424 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:49:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at gentoo.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.26 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.26 tagged_above=-999 required=5.5 tests=[AWL=-1.257, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from smtp.gentoo.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.gentoo.org [IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rB__5qrlMhq2 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:49:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2BED33F430 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:49:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VgyEB-0004T5-9J for gentoo-user@gentoo.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:49:03 +0100 Received: from rrcs-71-40-157-251.se.biz.rr.com ([71.40.157.251]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:49:03 +0100 Received: from wireless by rrcs-71-40-157-251.se.biz.rr.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:49:03 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org From: James Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Can we get users more involved in specific testing? Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 14:48:18 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <527F9A5D.1050601@gentoo.org> <5284DE0B.8070904@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 71.40.157.251 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Firefox/17.0 SeaMonkey/2.14) X-Archives-Salt: c4137b12-19e7-42cd-8f56-fdf125926b8b X-Archives-Hash: 1ed0f0727400de5f7e1d919f7745e7da hasufell gentoo.org> writes: > >> I have often had a hard time to get some random users comment on > >> certain packages or even assist on some runtime tests. I don't even > >> know how many people use the package I maintain. > > When a new package is installed or upgraded, there are notes that the > > installer is optioned (and notified upon installation) about the > > package. Might it be a good idea to put your testing pleadings > > in the notes for those how install the package (stable, testing, > > experimental or overlay) about how to contact whoever related to > > the specific testing you want done? I. E. "eselect news" or is this > > a bad idea? > I think people will not like having that in eselect news. There could be > a similar thing like: eslect test-requests > but the question is if that will get bloated and other stuff I'm not > sure about. Other than news, folks will not read it. As long as the announcement is short!: TESTERS_WANTED (url to details), then you hit the specific group, actually using the software; responding because they care. It affects them directly. Futhermore, they can quickly become the best testers, because most will use the target package, frequently. > The easiest thing I can think of is a project site on our wiki which > would also point to relevant bugs. Then again... who really wants to > maintain that. This approach will fail, because it is a blunt instrument. Too many will get the managerie of info about things they can little for (zippO).... > All other ideas are even more advanced. > I wonder if we could add a keyword on bugzie like REQUSERTEST... so > bored users could easily get a list of such bugs. But who would really > use that? Bugzilla is a wonderful, but BLUNT instrument, hence few bother with filling bugs. Gentoo devs are very picky about what get's filed so for Gentoo issues, FOCUS on where the actual users can be reached, with a focused message, imho. I. E. request testers from the pool of folks that actually install a given package. Ya don't have to get folks to test things like portage, cause we all use it and care about it and bitch about it (that is until Zac took it over and slaid the deamon_portage. A given ancillary package usually has few users, so find a way to communicate with those packages_installers as the pool for potential testers, with whatevery instrument you like. Mathematically, blunt instruments fail more than 99% of the time, particularly the tigher the desired end result is....... Besides, most do not read the ebuild notes availabe in the 'eselect news', imho. ciao, James